Only in California. This is some crazy stuff...

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Only in California. This is some crazy stuff...

Post by XX Case XX » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:13 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... plocalnews

Arizona's looking really good about now...

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Post by Doc B » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 pm

Maybe I'll celebrate with a new pickup and AR that year.
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Post by XX Case XX » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:19 pm

Doc B wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 pm
Maybe I'll celebrate with a new pickup and AR that year.
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Post by Railsplitter » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:20 pm

That's what I was thinking. Maybe I'll buy a brand new car the year before and it will last me the rest of my life. Hopefully not but I can prolong it as long as possible.
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Post by Sharpnshinyknives » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:47 pm

I think I will set up a car dealership just across the border in a neighboring state to sell cars to CA residents who don’t want to comply.
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Re: Only in California. This is some crazy stuff...

Post by New_Windsor_NY » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 pm

XX Case XX wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:13 pm
Arizona's looking really good about now...
I'm amazed that people are surprised by this or find this "odd." This is par for the course.
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Post by Doc B » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:58 pm

I'm assuming since it says passenger cars...trucks will be exempt. I don't see how electric could meet the needs of the huge numbers of farmers, ranchers, construction folk that require 3/4 trucks, to haul their big trailers around. So, for those that can't afford a $60,000 truck...the others will be stuck with a $35,000 electric thing, that has to be plugged in somewhere. I'm guessing the emission savings will be offset by the number of folks that will driving big trucks around, to avoid forced electricity. Skip, I don't find it odd, at all. As you say...par for California. My wife is from northern CA. She likes to say..."where the fruits and nuts are grown...not, where they live."
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Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:09 pm

That's OK, by 2035 there won't be anywhere worth going...
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Post by zzyzzogeton » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 pm

Doc B wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:58 pm
I'm assuming since it says passenger cars...trucks will be exempt. I don't see how electric could meet the needs of the huge numbers of farmers, ranchers, construction folk that require 3/4 trucks, to haul their big trailers around. So, for those that can't afford a $60,000 truck...the others will be stuck with a $35,000 electric thing, that has to be plugged in somewhere. I'm guessing the emission savings will be offset by the number of folks that will driving big trucks around, to avoid forced electricity. Skip, I don't find it odd, at all. As you say...par for California. My wife is from northern CA. She likes to say..."where the fruits and nuts are grown...not, where they live."
If you read down through the article linked above, it says that "medium and heavy duty vehicles will be emission free by 2045".

One of the problems with all this "emission free electric vehicle" crap is that no electric vehicle will ever have the range of a fossil fueled vehicle, nor will they be "refuelable" quickly. Even Tesla's tech will only get about a 300 mile range (370 on the Long Distance model) and takes 1 to 2 days to recharge at home on 110v and 5 to 12 hours with a 240v charger. A supercharger model charger will recharge a Tesla in 30 minutes to an hour. How long will you have to wait to get hooked up?

Want to control the people? Don't let them be able to go anywhere fast. It will take people up to 9 days to drive across Texas. Assuming you can find a charger somewhere between Ft Stockton and El Paso that is open at night.

Another set of problems - environmental waste from producing the batteries, recycling the batteries, getting rare earth elements needed for the electronics from China (primary source of most of them).

If they can't make the cars, you can't buy one, so you can't go anywhere and are dependent on the government to provide you with transportation.

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Post by Sharpnshinyknives » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:57 pm

So California is experiencing black outs because of the green energy mandates. They are shuttering gas power plants and won’t let a nuclear plant be built so there isn’t enough power now. So as CA moves more and more green, they want to add millions and millions of cars that need to be charged every day from this energy source that isn’t keeping up with demand now. Does anyone else see the insanity of this? The people of CA will be absolutely bleed dry from high priced electricity in the future. I guess you get the government you voted for. Good luck.
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Post by Gunsil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:58 pm

I have no idea what you guys have a problem with here. If they have batteries that can power a car or pick-up truck for a thousand mile drive who cares? The world will run out of oil and gasoline sooner or later and electric cars can easily be much more powerful than internal combustion engine vehicles. Plenty of modern electric cars can do 0-60 under 3.5 seconds with top speeds over 160 MPH. They are more quiet to drive, have all amenities, and plenty of power, what's not to like? Right now the only drawback is travel distance between charges, if they solve that one it is a no-brainer that they will be better. By the way, I was a Porsche master mechanic most of my life and a motor head, but if there is more power and better handling to be had I say bring it on!! Ford already has electric pick-ups and check out Rivian Company, looks like they're making a cool pick-up. Grow up, stop whining, and get with the times guys!! Y'all sound like the folks who complained when gas powered cars replaced horse and buggies.

Sharp and shiny, what the heck are you talking about charging every day? Many folks don't drive more than ten miles a day and right now most electrics get 250 miles per charge, which means they would only need a charge every twenty days, if your driver did twenty miles a day they would only have to charge every ten days. I think they will likely have the technology to go a thousand miles by 2035, making the argument moot. I like to drive, own a classic Porsche, but I like to drive cross country too, doing 6-700 miles a day, so right now I have no use for an EV, but if they make one that will go a thousand miles and charge in a few hours while sleeping, bring it on!!

What scares me more are self driving cars. When all cars are self driving they will know the speed limit and you won't be able to go any faster than the limit and you will be tracked all the time. THIS is a problem to me, and it too is coming.

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Post by bladeguy58 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:03 am

Yeah and ever scarier is I'm gonna bet that in 4 years he's gonna run for President! ::facepalm::
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Post by Sharpnshinyknives » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:26 am

Gunsil wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:58 pm
I have no idea what you guys have a problem with here. If they have batteries that can power a car or pick-up truck for a thousand mile drive who cares? The world will run out of oil and gasoline sooner or later and electric cars can easily be much more powerful than internal combustion engine vehicles. Plenty of modern electric cars can do 0-60 under 3.5 seconds with top speeds over 160 MPH. They are more quiet to drive, have all amenities, and plenty of power, what's not to like? Right now the only drawback is travel distance between charges, if they solve that one it is a no-brainer that they will be better. By the way, I was a Porsche master mechanic most of my life and a motor head, but if there is more power and better handling to be had I say bring it on!! Ford already has electric pick-ups and check out Rivian Company, looks like they're making a cool pick-up. Grow up, stop whining, and get with the times guys!! Y'all sound like the folks who complained when gas powered cars replaced horse and buggies.

Sharp and shiny, what the heck are you talking about charging every day? Many folks don't drive more than ten miles a day and right now most electrics get 250 miles per charge, which means they would only need a charge every twenty days, if your driver did twenty miles a day they would only have to charge every ten days. I think they will likely have the technology to go a thousand miles by 2035, making the argument moot. I like to drive, own a classic Porsche, but I like to drive cross country too, doing 6-700 miles a day, so right now I have no use for an EV, but if they make one that will go a thousand miles and charge in a few hours while sleeping, bring it on!!

Has anyone done the math on the electric usage? I agree not everyone needs to charge every day, but there will be millions of people plugging in their cars every day that aren’t doing that now, so it’s going to strain the system, which is already straining under 40% of the power coming from wind and solar. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see the problem that’s coming. The battery technology may never deliver the kind of range that they will need in a country that is thousands of miles from border to border. I’ve been hearing the promise of this mind blowing range for batteries for over 20 years. Believe me I have looked into a lot. I had clients trying to figure out how to make money investing in this great battery technology for over 20 years and it doesn’t exist. If you have insight into something new, please inform me.

Edit. Sorry I messed up this post. I didn’t realize I was posting in the middle of your post.
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Post by Mumbleypeg » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:53 am

Gunsil wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:58 pm
I have no idea what you guys have a problem with here. If they have batteries that can power a car or pick-up truck for a thousand mile drive who cares? The world will run out of oil and gasoline sooner or later and electric cars can easily be much more powerful than internal combustion engine vehicles. Plenty of modern electric cars can do 0-60 under 3.5 seconds with top speeds over 160 MPH. They are more quiet to drive, have all amenities, and plenty of power, what's not to like? Right now the only drawback is travel distance between charges, if they solve that one it is a no-brainer that they will be better. By the way, I was a Porsche master mechanic most of my life and a motor head, but if there is more power and better handling to be had I say bring it on!! Ford already has electric pick-ups and check out Rivian Company, looks like they're making a cool pick-up. Grow up, stop whining, and get with the times guys!! Y'all sound like the folks who complained when gas powered cars replaced horse and buggies.

Sharp and shiny, what the heck are you talking about charging every day? Many folks don't drive more than ten miles a day and right now most electrics get 250 miles per charge, which means they would only need a charge every twenty days, if your driver did twenty miles a day they would only have to charge every ten days. I think they will likely have the technology to go a thousand miles by 2035, making the argument moot. I like to drive, own a classic Porsche, but I like to drive cross country too, doing 6-700 miles a day, so right now I have no use for an EV, but if they make one that will go a thousand miles and charge in a few hours while sleeping, bring it on!!
Assuming all that is true, then the free market will drive the conversion to electric vehicles, just as it did the conversion from horse and buggy to gasoline powered transportation. We don’t need any grandstanding moron politician edicting the change. ::barf::

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Post by cody6268 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:19 am

In my opinion wiht goverment officials--I think the best way to prove they are truly incompetent and unfit for the job is to pass expensive, extensive, and nearly impossible to implement policies that are wholly unworkable. We've seen it with the Green New Deal, and then this thing. I'm not even getting into my views that global warming is intentionally overhyped and made to sound more extreme than it really is(I follow the Dyson view) and models are exaggerated. Remember all of Al Gore's claims about NYC being under water?

In my opinion, as things are now changing with tech at an incredibly fast pace, and as battery and charging tech research is evolving constantly, we will see electric cars far superior to ICE vehicles. But not right now. One, charging infrastructure isn't that good. First (and still only almost ten years later) charging stations I have seen are an hour and a half from my place.

The real problem is the power grid. They want to get rid of nuclear and all fossil fuels. The renewable sources don't output nearly as much. When you switch all the cars over to electric, that's going to put even more stress on the grid. This is why I say hydrogen is a better alternative. Number two is depreciation. Batteries wear out with age due to the laws of science and thermodynamics and entropy. My great-aunt got a huge discount on a 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek Hybrid that was a lease return in 2015. It's depreciated at a rate far more than standard Crosstreks do (and Subarus, as you know, don't depreciate that bad). And then, battery disposal. Nickel, cadmium, mercury, nickel, lead, lithium. All found in batteries and seriously nasty stuff to the environment and people.

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