Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[Modern Slip Joints]

For $84 a thousand would you expect cartridges that are as good as your best reloads? That ain't gonna happen. Since I've never owned or shot a steel cased .223 cartridge I'll describe my experience with Wolff 9 mm. First, the only steel cased cartridges with corrosive primers that I've ever seen were old military surplus. Second, Wolff 9mm burns so filthy that in my experience no pistol can fire it reliably if you start with an oily chamber. The crud sticks to the oil. Start with a completely dry barrel and it runs fine in most modern pistols. The only hand guns it gave me problems in were my Springfield 1911 varient which has a traditional 1911 extractor and my S&W revolver. The 1911 extractor had to be bent back to its original tension after firing Wolff 9 mm. The cases had to to be individually pused out of the S&W cylinder with a rod. Those negatives admited, I fired over 15,000 rounds of Wolff 9mm through my CZ 85 with excelent accuracy and reliability. That leads to an old home cast bullet shooter's motive to try Wolff 9 mm to start with. Using logic I won't debate here our local club required FMJ bullets in their matches fired in our indoor range. There was no other place less than an hour away to target shoot after dark. The accuracy of Remington and Winchester FMJ 9mm bullets was so poor that they took away my biggest advantage in matches, I'm a good shot. Less importantly they could not be reloaded less expensively than I could buy Wolff.

Wolff .40 S&W cartridges which have pressure similar to 9 mm have the same reatively stiff extraction. I never saw Wolff .45 ACP cartridges priced low enough to tempt me into trying them. For me .223 is a varmit rifle cartridge for which I'll assemble my most accurate cartridges. However, I have watched men shoot very good 100 yard groups firing Wolff .223 through AR-15 based rifles off the bench without seeing them have any reliability issues.

By the way, Harbor Freight sells magnets for picking up nails that work very well picking up steel cases. The magnet can be pulled up away from the bottom of the tool with a handle within the tool's D shaped handle. Hold the working end over a trash can then pull the magnet away from the cases. They were about $15 when I bought mine.

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For $84 a thousand would you expect cartridges that are as good as your best reloads? That ain't gonna happen. Since I've never owned or shot a steel cased .223 cartridge I'll describe my experience with Wolff 9 mm. First, the only steel cased cartridges with corrosive primers that I've ever seen were old military surplus. Second, Wolff 9mm burns so filthy that in my experience no pistol can fire it reliably if you start with an oily chamber. The crud sticks to the oil. Start with a completely dry barrel and it runs fine in most modern pistols. The only hand guns it gave me problems in were my Springfield 1911 varient which has a traditional 1911 extractor and my S&W revolver. The 1911 extractor had to be bent back to its original tension after firing Wolff 9 mm. The cases had to to be individually pused out of the S&W cylinder with a rod. Those negatives admited, I fired over 15,000 rounds of Wolff 9mm through my CZ 85 with excelent accuracy and reliability. That leads to an old home cast bullet shooter's motive to try Wolff 9 mm to start with. Using logic I won't debate here our local club required FMJ bullets in their matches fired in our indoor range. There was no other place less than an hour away to target shoot after dark. The accuracy of Remington and Winchester FMJ 9mm bullets was so poor that they took away my biggest advantage in matches, I'm a good shot. Less importantly they could not be reloaded less expensively than I could buy Wolff.

Wolff .40 S&W cartridges which have pressure similar to 9 mm have the same reatively stiff extraction. I never saw Wolff .45 ACP cartridges priced low enough to tempt me into trying them. For me .223 is a varmit rifle cartridge for which I'll assemble my most accurate cartridges. However, I have watched men shoot very good 100 yard groups firing Wolff .223 through AR-15 based rifles off the bench without seeing them have any reliability issues.

By the way, Harbor Freight sells magnets for picking up nails that work very well picking up steel cases. The magnet can be pulled up away from the bottom of the tool with a handle within the tool's D shaped handle. Hold the working end over a trash can then pull the magnet away from the cases. They were about $15 when I bought mine.

Like I said, I dont buy any steel cased ammo so I dont have any experience with it, just hearing from others that do. I do have an experience with Wolf products in the form of their small pistol primers a few years back when primers were hard to come by. I bought a couple thousand Wolf small pistol primers marked non corrosive, made in Russia. No problems at all with them. I still see old military brass on the ground out at the range that had corrosive priming. A few years ago when ammo was hard to come by, ammunition collectors at the gunshows were selling old collectable boxes of rifle ammo for $100 a box of 20 to people who took the stuff out to the range and shot it, or used it for hunting. I dont know how many empty boxes of the old blue and yellow Winchester ammo that got lit up in the burn barrel at the range. And old boxes of 30-06 that was corrosive military ammo. I wonder if people even knew what they were buying. The empty steel case stuff is on the ground in piles at our local range, nobody picks up their empties except those of us that reload. Our local indoor range has banned aluminum case ammo like the CCI Blazer. When they sweep up the empty brass and put it in buckets to take to the metal scrap dealer, it was too much hassle to have to separate out the aluminum stuff by hand. The price between loaded 9mm (commercial brass case) and what I can reload it for has closed in recent years, but I can still save a couple of dollars a box and tailor my loads.

[Modern Slip Joints]

Hopefully you can forgive a little reminiscing. My first centerfire pistol was a S&W Model 39 bought new in 1973 for $125. I bought one box of factory cartridges followed by one box of jacketed bullets reloaded with one of the Lee Loader kits powered with a mallet. I bought a mold and used a dipper and a cast iron pot from a thrift store on a Colman white gass stove before buying a press, a Rock Chucker. 9 mm empties were rarely on the ground at the range because most men prefered either a 1911 .45 or revolvers so I rode the metro bus into downtown Seattle to buy, among other things, a yellow box of 50 virgin 9 mm cases for $9.99 while minimum wage was still under $2 hour. Casting scrap lead reloading a pistol cartride cost about 1 1/2 cents.

In 1974 a store clerk warned me that I should stock pile powder because huge powder price increases were coming soon. I bought Alcan and other odd powders that had been on the self for a while for $2.79 a pound and Hercules powders for $3.50 a pound. The clerk was right. Before the end of the year the price of powder sky rocketed to $4.50 a pound. Well into the 1980s Payless frequently had sales on CCI primers, 69 cents for standard and 79 cents for magnum primers.

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Hopefully you can forgive a little reminiscing. My first centerfire pistol was a S&W Model 39 bought new in 1973 for $125. I bought one box of factory cartridges followed by one box of jacketed bullets reloaded with one of the Lee Loader kits powered with a mallet. I bought a mold and used a dipper and a cast iron pot from a thrift store on a Colman white gass stove before buying a press, a Rock Chucker. 9 mm empties were rarely on the ground at the range because most men prefered either a 1911 .45 or revolvers so I rode the metro bus into downtown Seattle to buy, among other things, a yellow box of 50 virgin 9 mm cases for $9.99 while minimum wage was still under $2 hour. Casting scrap lead reloading a pistol cartride cost about 1 1/2 cents.

In 1974 a store clerk warned me that I should stock pile powder because huger powder price increases were coming soon. I bought Alcan and other odd powders that had been on the self for a while for $2.79 a pound and Hercules powders for $3.50 a pound. The clerk was right. Before the end of the year the price of powder sky rocketed to $4.50 a pound. Well into the 1980s Payless frequently had sales on CCI primers, 69 cents for standard and 79 cents for magnum primers.

Oh yeah, remember those days. In 1975 I was shooting with a black powder club locally and we used to buy a 50lb keg of powder and split it up. My brother in law had a Model 39 which I shot a lot, and then I bought a Model 59 S & W in 1977. I am thinking I paid $190 for it. I get a kick out of people who ask me " why didn't you fill up a warehouse with guns and cars back in the 1970s? Think of what they would be worth now." I ask them " is that what you are doing now?"

[Modern Slip Joints]

The smarter thing would have been to buy raw land not far out from the city. In 1980 I was advised to buy an acre for $1000. Today, still as raw land not hooked up to power or water, assuming the city would approve splitting it into two lots and the city had signed off on the development, it would sell fast for two million.

Before the 1970s were over I had a half dozen black powder guns. They were a natural thing for a bullet caster to experiment with. I should take a couple of them out to the range. I just bought a used freezer so I can hunt with them again.

[ken98k]

So, I've had this Remington 700adl in 30-06 caliber for about 40 years. It has been my "go to" hunting rifle even though I have many, many, others to chose from. The last few years I've notice accuracy dropping off despite the usual remedies like "glass bedding" and "free floating" the barrel. I decided it was time to re-barrel, and I decided to change calibers as well.
I got a 26" Remington factory take-off in 300 win mag, from Numrich and found a Rem 700 LA magnum bolt on eBay.
Removing the old 20" barrel was the most difficult part, after which I went over the receiver threads with a piloted tap. I cleaned up the threads on the new barrel with a brass tooth brush and applied a thin coating of gun grease before assembling the barred action.
I fully expected to have to do some lathe work to set head-space, so I was thrilled when I checked it with my gages and it was perfect.
For me this was an incredible piece of luck to assemble a rife with the barrel, bolt, and receiver, from 3 different guns and everything jus fell together!
After that I immediately bought 10 lottery tickets! The drawing is tonight.

When we get some warmer weather I'll test it out at the range and take some photo's as well.

[zp4ja]

Nice all! So far behind to comment on each post. This thread is super informative and displays some nice firearms, expertise, and related firearm items. Keep posting! Hope all is well.

Cleaned up, oiled, etc, some of my carries today.

Here is my main, first choice EDC carry.

SIG SAUER P220 10MM Reverse Two Tone Elite. 5 inch barrel, 44 ounces loaded. Good club, if ammo runs out. If ammo runs out, I am doing it wrong, or more targets than ammo, 1 for 1.

Hogue Piranha Grips. Like a mild cheese grater. Ejects shells about ~20 feet high, 40 feet right and 10 feet back. Beast slide gun.

Hope you are are well.

Jerry

[ken98k]

Nice all! So far behind to comment on each post. This thread is super informative and displays some nice firearms, expertise, and related firearm items. Keep posting! Hope all is well.

Cleaned up, oiled, etc, some of my carries today.

Here is my main, first choice EDC carry.

SIG SAUER P220 10MM Reverse Two Tone Elite. 5 inch barrel, 44 ounces loaded. Good club, if ammo runs out. If ammo runs out, I am doing it wrong, or more targets than ammo, 1 for 1.

Hogue Piranha Grips. Like a mild cheese grater. Ejects shells about ~20 feet high, 40 feet right and 10 feet back. Beast slide gun.

Hope you are are well.

Jerry

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I've been working on a project to see what the current Ruger 22LR bull barrel target pistol, the MKIV is really capable of. I have had a red/ green dot on it and I really like the way that works. Now on to mounting a Bushnell Trophy 2-6X pistol scope to do further tests. First one today to sight the scope in and do preliminary test with one ammo, Federal high velocity hollow points, which is a basic hunting ammo. 25 yard group below is about 5/8 inch, not counting the flier at upper right which was caused by the jerk behind the trigger.

[ken98k]

I've been working on a project to see what the current Ruger 22LR bull barrel target pistol, the MKIV is really capable of. I have had a red/ green dot on it and I really like the way that works. Now on to mounting a Bushnell Trophy 2-6X pistol scope to do further tests. First one today to sight the scope in and do preliminary test with one ammo, Federal high velocity hollow points, which is a basic hunting ammo. 25 yard group below is about 5/8 inch, not counting the flier at upper right which was caused by the jerk behind the trigger.
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[ken98k]

I liked mine Ken BUT Sue liked it more.Ours was a second generation with improved trigger and better sights.So I replaced it with a BG .380.

[ken98k]

I gave my Kel-Tec P3AT to the friend that drove me to the hospital in December. I don't regret gifting him the pistol but, It left a hole in my collection.
The P3AT is no longer produced so, I picked up this Ruger LCP 380 acp, which is a pretty close copy.

Carry one most of the time. Very convenient and serviceable. 20250215_211519.jpg

[ken98k]

New arrival, It's a Taurus model 327, caliber is 327 Federal Magnum.
I also rescued a neglected New England Firearms Pardner, single shot 12 ga, while I was at the gun shop.

[doglegg]

New arrival, It's a Taurus model 327, caliber is 327 Federal Magnum.
I also rescued a neglected New England Firearms Pardner, single shot 12 ga, while I was at the gun shop.

Ken I had a .32 magnum for a while and shot .32 S&W wadcutters in it for bullseye. It was a wonderful gun. I bet you enjoy that one. Congrats. And a single shot shotgun is always handy.

[ken98k]

New arrival, It's a Taurus model 327, caliber is 327 Federal Magnum.
I also rescued a neglected New England Firearms Pardner, single shot 12 ga, while I was at the gun shop.

Ken I had a .32 magnum for a while and shot .32 S&W wadcutters in it for bullseye. It was a wonderful gun. I bet you enjoy that one. Congrats. And a single shot shotgun is always handy.

The shotgun was pretty dirty but the price was right.
I now have the same gun in 410, 20ga and 12ga. as well as one called the Buffalo Rifle, in 45-70.

[doglegg]

New arrival, It's a Taurus model 327, caliber is 327 Federal Magnum.
I also rescued a neglected New England Firearms Pardner, single shot 12 ga, while I was at the gun shop.

Ken I had a .32 magnum for a while and shot .32 S&W wadcutters in it for bullseye. It was a wonderful gun. I bet you enjoy that one. Congrats. And a single shot shotgun is always handy.

The shotgun was pretty dirty but the price was right.
I now have the same gun in 410, 20ga and 12ga. as well as one called the Buffalo Rifle, in 45-70.

That 45-70 should handle about anything on our continent. Nice collection.

[ken98k]

I just pulled the trigger, on this "Taurus Raging Hunter" 44 mag. I don't know why, since I already have four 44 magnums.
With any luck, I should have it in hand by next weekend.

[Boji]

Your reason, just because.

[ken98k]

Your reason, just because.

[treefarmer]

I just pulled the trigger, on this "Taurus Raging Hunter" 44 mag. I don't know why, since I already have four 44 magnums.
With any luck, I should have it in hand by next weekend.

Ken, along the same line, why do we buy another Case Trapper when we have a drawer full of them?
Glad you were able to get one the way!
Treefarmer

[ken98k]

I just pulled the trigger, on this "Taurus Raging Hunter" 44 mag. I don't know why, since I already have four 44 magnums.
With any luck, I should have it in hand by next weekend.

Ken, along the same line, why do we buy another Case Trapper when we have a drawer full of them?
Glad you were able to get one the way!
Treefarmer

[treefarmer]

I just pulled the trigger, on this "Taurus Raging Hunter" 44 mag. I don't know why, since I already have four 44 magnums.
With any luck, I should have it in hand by next weekend.

Ken, along the same line, why do we buy another Case Trapper when we have a drawer full of them?
Glad you were able to get one on the way!
Treefarmer

[zp4ja]

Very nice Ken.
8" barrel?
Jerry

[Rockingkj]

Went to a military relic show today. Not into military stuff but this little show other things do show up. Traded some military knives I had bought to sell trade for these two antique muzzleloaders. Top full stock rifle is approximately .32 cal and marked on the barrel “G Biddel”. The second rifle is approximately .40 cal and marked “H PETER” on top of the barrel and has a “G. Goulcher” lock. Bores are dark but no significant pitting. Some added copper shielding to both which does hide some wood loss and a repair on the Biddel. Looking forward to taking em out and making them roar again

[ken98k]

Very nice Ken.
8" barrel?
Jerry

8 3/8"