Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[treefarmer]

I had no idea they made spaghetti gunpowder.

That's what I saw, angel hair pasta!
Back when I was reloading, we used a lot IMR 4895 in the old Remington 700 30-06 that hasn't been in the woods in probably 30 years.
Always referred to the powder as "grains", maybe because grains were the units mentioned in the old Lyman book.
Learn something new all the time here on AAPK, thanks for educating me about "stick powder", OLDE CUTLER.
Treefarmer

[LKSKNIVES]

I had no idea they made spaghetti gunpowder.

That's what I saw, angel hair pasta!
Back when I was reloading, we used a lot IMR 4895 in the old Remington 700 30-06 that hasn't been in the woods in probably 30 years.
Always referred to the powder as "grains", maybe because grains were the units mentioned in the old Lyman book.
Learn something new all the time here on AAPK, thanks for educating me about "stick powder", OLDE CUTLER.
Treefarmer

I only shoot factory/store bought loads only shotgun fit for the most part.
Only other time I’ve messed with gunpowder was my uncle and his friends built black powder cannons when they were in high school Memphis Tennessee area some time in the sixties. Dad used to buy and can and around the fourth of July we would shoot the snot out of it.

Like Treefamer said I learn cool stuff here. I tell my kids and all the younger people that part of what keeps me going is learning something new each day.
I’m attached a picture of my nephew carrying the cannon last time we shot it was at a memorial for the last of our family friends parents. We shot it in the backyard out on to the lake. Always echoed back so nice.

[1967redrider]

Was it bought like that, or did someone modify a swivel gun by making a carriage for it? Very cool!

[LKSKNIVES]

Was it bought like that, or did someone modify a swivel gun by making a carriage for it? Very cool!

None of it was purchased all built in high school machine shop. My uncle and his high school classmates made 51 in high school shop. That was the last one if I remember how the story goes. It was supposed to have wheels but it didn’t get finished. They made one that shot can full of mortar mix supposedly. That story I can’t attest to. My uncle had a smaller version that had wheels.
This is the guns and other related things.
Also remember flying to Memphis from Chicago. I was too young to hunt. My dad took his shotgun down to hunt ducks with the boys. My uncle was the youngest of my mom’s siblings and quite a bit younger. Anyway dad carried the gun through the airport and it rode in the cockpit. Not only did they build the cannons but a pretty elaborate duck blind on the Mississippi. All I can say is that was a real long time ago.

[ken98k]

Was it bought like that, or did someone modify a swivel gun by making a carriage for it? Very cool!

None of it was purchased all built in high school machine shop. My uncle and his high school classmates made 51 in high school shop. That was the last one if I remember how the story goes. It was supposed to have wheels but it didn’t get finished. They made one that shot can full of mortar mix supposedly. That story I can’t attest to. My uncle had a smaller version that had wheels.
This is the guns and other related things.
Also remember flying to Memphis from Chicago. I was too young to hunt. My dad took his shotgun down to hunt ducks with the boys. My uncle was the youngest of my mom’s siblings and quite a bit younger. Anyway dad carried the gun through the airport and it rode in the cockpit. Not only did they build the cannons but a pretty elaborate duck blind on the Mississippi. All I can say is that was a real long time ago.

[zp4ja]

Great stuff all! Thanks for sharing.

After 19 surveys by the BLM to insure we didn't disturb the spotted cricket, sage grouse, rainbow unicorn, or whatever, my range finally went from 2 archery ranges, clay pigeon range with throwers, 25 and 50 yard yard handgun and rimfire, 100 yards pistol and rim am and center fire. 100 to 400 yard incrementally, pistol if you are so inclined, rimfire, center fire. Range building for CCW classes or whatever. That all existed. Here is the addition...

Added after BLM red tape, we now have 500 to 1000 yards, in 100 yard increments.

Will.post pics once schedule frees up to get out there. Alot of pics were taken on top of berm backstopping at 400 yards. 100 to 400 yards is the trough with backstopping in first pic.

EDIT: No fee or range master, we are all adults. Cost maybe 5 bucks a year in property taxes.

Safe shooting. Jerry

[FRJ]

Great stuff all! Thanks for sharing.

After 19 surveys by the BLM to insure we didn't disturb the spotted cricket, sage grouse, rainbow unicorn, or whatever, my range finally went from 2 archery ranges, clay pigeon range with throwers, 25 and 50 yard yard handgun and rimfire, 100 yards pistol and rim am and center fire. 100 to 400 yard incrementally, pistol if you are so inclined, rimfire, center fire. Range building for CCW classes or whatever. That all existed. Here is the addition...

Added after BLM red tape, we now have 500 to 1000 yards, in 100 yard increments.

Will.post pics once schedule frees up to get out there. Alot of pics were taken on top of berm backstopping at 400 yards. 100 to 400 yards is the trough with backstopping in first pic.

EDIT: No fee or range master, we are all adults. Cost maybe 5 bucks a year in property taxes.

Safe shooting. Jerry

That l looks like a great place to spend some time. With plenty of ammo.

[zp4ja]

Hey Joe. It's been a long while since we conversed.

I am excited to get up there for sure. I always make a day of it. Folks are nice and respectful.

Looking forward to the SIG ARMS SSG3000 at distance. 24 inch barrel .308 or 7.62 bolt. Dream trigger. Topped off with a Vortex Razor HD AMG. 6 X 24 X 50MM. Magnification throw lever, rail illuminated reticle bubble level for windage holds at distance etc. 20 rounds at 100 yds. 19 in a ragged hole, I pulled one .5 MOA stray. Never shot beyond 100 yds. Life and all. Can't wait.

Hope all is well. Jerry

[FRJ]

Hey Joe. It's been a long while since we conversed.

I am excited to get up there for sure. I always make a day of it. Folks are nice and respectful.

Looking forward to the SIG ARMS SSG3000 at distance. 24 inch barrel .308 or 7.62 bolt. Dream trigger. Topped off with a Vortex Razor HD AMG. 6 X 24 X 50MM. Magnification throw lever, rail illuminated reticle bubble level for windage holds at distance etc. 20 rounds at 100 yds. 19 in a ragged hole, I pulled one .5 MOA stray. Never shot beyond 100 yds. Life and all. Can't wait.

Hope all is well. Jerry

Thank you, Jerry.
If there were a place to be nice and respectful a gun range would be it.
It seems you have plenty of hardware to work with. I would have loved to shoot at 300 or 800 or a thousand yards.
I don't know if I could hit well or at all but the thrill of trying would make my day. Love the smell of gunpowder.
Enjoy!

[FRJ]

Great stuff all! Thanks for sharing.

After 19 surveys by the BLM to insure we didn't disturb the spotted cricket, sage grouse, rainbow unicorn, or whatever, my range finally went from 2 archery ranges, clay pigeon range with throwers, 25 and 50 yard yard handgun and rimfire, 100 yards pistol and rim am and center fire. 100 to 400 yard incrementally, pistol if you are so inclined, rimfire, center fire. Range building for CCW classes or whatever. That all existed. Here is the addition...

Added after BLM red tape, we now have 500 to 1000 yards, in 100 yard increments.

Will.post pics once schedule frees up to get out there. Alot of pics were taken on top of berm backstopping at 400 yards. 100 to 400 yards is the trough with backstopping in first pic.

EDIT: No fee or range master, we are all adults. Cost maybe 5 bucks a year in property taxes.

Safe shooting. Jerry

That looks like a great place to spend some time. With plenty of ammo.

[treefarmer]

Impressive, Jerry and congratulations!
Way back in the day, we qualified on a 500 yard range in the Corps and I can't imagine what a 1000 yard shot would be like.
Living in the Florida Panhandle, there are not many opportunities for shooting at very long ranges while hunting, maybe on a power line easement or a large agricultural field but usually 100 yards or less.
We have no such shooting ranges anywhere close to us that offer so many wonderful options, glad you're getting close to completion!
Hopefully the political binders are being loosened so folks across the country may enjoy such activities.
Living in the country all my life has been a blessing as far as being able to shoot at any time I wanted or needed to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights!
Treefarmer

[zp4ja]

Amen Brother! Thanks
I am especially fond of your last sentence regarding exercising our 2A rights that our Founding Fathers created. 2A is not up to twisted interpretation to espouse one's views to take away those God given rights.
Just like the Bible. As written, not up to interpretation.
Take care. Jerry

[1967redrider]

Very cool, Jerry! I love shooting outside Xs better than an indoor range. I do most of my target shooting at the farm, but my buddy is always trying to get me to go to the NRA range in Fairfax.

[zp4ja]

Thanks John. Hope life is well.
I have the desert to shoot all I want. 1/4 mile from the house. Old school. No one cares, even half mile from town with associated audible reports.
Just how we do it here.
Range is cool. Can't wait to get out.
California now requires background check for a box of ammo. Unbelievable.
If my LGS, sometimes the hardware store has 5000 rounds of .308 or whatever caliber, if I have enough funds, forklift load and I am out. No trace if cash, not hiding anything, just current law.. Credit/ debit, still no wait, same as cash on guns or ammo.
Guns, the same. CCW, no 50 dollar, background check, no wait/ cool off period, no call to anyone. Pay cash/ debit and go. Handguns, long Guns, shotgun or otherwise.

Nevada is definitely a 2A state, no red tape for now...

Love NV. Staying till they kick me out or put me in the ground. Got a picked out spot for the latter of the two options. My favorite mountain range. Likely ash in ground or wind.

Bloody Runs Mountains (sounds delightful, I know). Lots of crazy battles around here back in the day. Dogs and I did upland game birds there.

YMMV.

Jerry

[ken98k]

I gave my Kel-Tec P3AT to the friend that drove me to the hospital in December. I don't regret gifting him the pistol but, It left a hole in my collection.
The P3AT is no longer produced so, I picked up this Ruger LCP 380 acp, which is a pretty close copy.

[garddogg56]

I liked mine Ken BUT Sue liked it more.Ours was a second generation with improved trigger and better sights.So I replaced it with a BG .380.

[Reverand]

I gave my Kel-Tec P3AT to the friend that drove me to the hospital in December. I don't regret gifting him the pistol but, It left a hole in my collection.
The P3AT is no longer produced so, I picked up this Ruger LCP 380 acp, which is a pretty close copy.

Little Miss "Elsie Pea" is a good one, Ken. I have had one for years now as an EDC. I pray that it is never needed, but it is small enough to pocket carry and goes with me most anyplace that I can legally carry it.

[doglegg]

I gave my Kel-Tec P3AT to the friend that drove me to the hospital in December. I don't regret gifting him the pistol but, It left a hole in my collection.
The P3AT is no longer produced so, I picked up this Ruger LCP 380 acp, which is a pretty close copy.

Carry one most of the time. Very convenient and serviceable.

[philco]

Ken I carry my LCP frequently. It’s the only pocket friendly pistol I own. I prefer my CZ Rami in 9mm but that’s not always feasible.

[Quick Steel]

Philco, by reputation CZs make a superlative pistol. Came close to getting one myself.

[RedRaiderRick]

We have a free 1000 yard public range in my AO along with skeet, tons of 180 pistol bays. I'm blessed.

[ken98k]

Ken I carry my LCP frequently. It’s the only pocket friendly pistol I own. I prefer my CZ Rami in 9mm but that’s not always feasible.

I don't think I've ever seen a Rami in person. I have a CZ75B which I love and a smaller CZ82 9X18 for which I've never been able to find a suitable holster.

[Modern Slip Joints]

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OC, [Old Cutler] these are what I shoot in my old 22s. Both very low velocity. [Remington CB caps in short cases and Dynamat Nobel spire points in extra short copper cases]

[...]
Floyd, will those go 100 yds?

Admitedly it was in the 1980s but I experimented with low power .22s with the goal of making my Savage-Anschutz target rife both quiet enough to fire on a 2 acre lot surrounded by suburbs and accurate enough to eliminate small pests. The extra short Dynamat Nobel caps were available with two bullets, round balls and the hollow base spire points doglegg posted a picture of. Both weighed 17 grains. What ever powder they had was under a paper wad that was stuck to the bottom of the case. At 50 yards both only dented a fir 1X4 board. Accuracy was not good. I tried CCI CB caps which held a standard .22 short bullet in your choice of .22 short or .22 long cases. The only practal difference between them was CCI CB caps in long cases were more accurate than CCI CB cabs in short cases in every gun I compared them in. Fifty yard penetration was much better than the Dynamat Nobels. Remington CB caps were not available to me. What turned out to be the most accurate quiet .22 cartridges by far were .22 shorts marketed for the international rapid fire pistol match that is shot in the Olympics. Their power was similar to CCI CB caps. All of these cartridges were quieter than many air rifles. None of them hit near where regular .22 LR bullets hit. As .22 rimfires go none of them were bargain priced but it's unlikely you'd fire a lot of them. Useful at100 yards? Maybe in your dreams.

By the way, since the cordite you poured out of a .303 interested several members I'll describe how it was loaded. The individual strands were stuck together forming sort of a rope that was on a spool behind a fire proof safety wall. Women sat at a bench in front of that wall. A long enough length of cordite was advanced through a hole in the wall, the women slipped an unnecked .303 case over the cordite then it was clipped off by a cutter blade. Note the cordite rope was larger diameter than a .303 case neck so the cases necks had to be sized from roughly straight wall with the cordite in them.

During the 1990s military surplus .303 cartridges, 7.62X39 cartridges for SKS carbines and cartridges for a few other foreign military rifles were available delivered to your door for about 8 cents apiece. I bought steel case Wolff 9mm pistol cartridges for $84 a thousand at gun shows.

[OLDE CUTLER]

I have never bought any of the various kinds of steel cased 9mm and 5.56mm ammo for the simple reason it is not reloadable. I have however been at the range and seen people shooting it and having all kinds of problems with it. Some of the 9mm foreign ammo is VERY hot, causing extraction problems. One fellow shooting on the bench next to me at the gun club was having a problem with an AR and I looked at it and tried to help him out as he had a empty round stuck in the chamber. I had a sectioned cleaning rod in my shooting box and we used that to get the case out of the chamber. Then I looked in the chamber with a flashlight and noticed that the extractor was broken off and gone. And looking down the bore, there was a lot of powder residue present. Many kinds of the steel cased ammo have cases that have a lacquer coating on them that builds up on the chamber on some guns and causes problems. I asked the fellow if he shot the steel cased stuff a lot and he replied "Yes, I just bought 2000 rounds of it." He was not a happy camper. Probably not a problem any more, but back in the day the steel cased stuff used corrosive Berdan priming, which required cleaning the gun immediately after each use.

[Boji]

I have been to several indoor ranges that ban steel case ammo. I’ve never tried any myself.