Wind Farms

[just bob]

I don't know what the situation is nationally, but locally we have had to mount a fierce opposition to keep wind farms from coming in and taking over prime farm ground and damaging the environment. Power companies even have elementary aged school children doing TV commercials to tout wind energy. This is the harsh truth we're not prepared to deal with. WARNING - The language in this clip is raw.

https://www.outkick.com/culture/landman-oil-viral-scene

[CampbellAr2]

Agree , while they might have some limited use in the power mix, too few people realize the "Total Cost" of building, operating, and maintaining these (which this "Landman" scene illustrates)....not to mention what they do to the land and wildlife

BTW, Landman looks to be another winner of a show ...

[jerryd6818]

The only thing I got out of the small segment of his tirade that I watched was he was dissin liberals. That's okay with me because I'm a sort of conservative. I guess my question is, what does that have to do with wind farms? There's a bunch of them up and down I-39 in Illinois. Looks to me like there's plenty of farm land between them but what do I know. My point is, I don't understand the objection to them. Except for the cost of the equipment and maintenance, it's free electricity, kinda like hydro-electric.

Not arguing with you, just showing my ignorance on the subject.

[C-WADE7]

The only thing I got out of the small segment of his tirade that I wat…..:.Not arguing with you, just showing my ignorance on the subject.

There are quite a few west of me and the locals say they are loud and an eyesore. Several have gone out due to breakdowns and the cost of repair was too high to be corrected so the just sit there with no blades. It also is said to mess up migratory bird routes but that’s debatable. A kid from town worked on them for a while and said as soon as subsidies stop the mills will too, they can’t recoup the cost of building and maintenance for what the produce.

[Railsplitter]

I don’t know very much about them but I drove by an area recently where they are installing them. They had four or five of them installed and they were working to install another one. There were zero there the last time I drove by that location.

My Niece has one on her property. She told me they get $1,000 a month for having it on their property and that was 7 or 8 years ago that she told me that. I never hear it when I’m at her house but she said they hear it pretty often. She seemed okay with it because of the monthly income.

[peanut740]

Around here it's solar frams.There's lots of reclaimed coal mines in eastern Ohio,but they build solar fields on prime central Ohio farm land.This is truly ridiculous. Makes you wonder why this is going on.
I did learn recently that a huge solar farm(2000 acres) that has been under construction for roughly 2 years on as prime a farm land as there is,is owned by many of the left's friend Bill Gates.So there you go.

[Waukonda]

Around here it's solar frams.There's lots of reclaimed coal mines in eastern Ohio,but they build solar fields on prime central Ohio farm land.This is truly ridiculous. Makes you wonder why this is going on.
I did learn recently that a huge solar farm(2000 acres) that has been under construction for roughly 2 years on as prime a farm land as there is,is owned by many of the left's friend Bill Gates.So there you go.

Same here, thousands of low value acres that were strip mined before reclamation laws were in effect, and the solar farms end up on good farm ground!

As far as wind farms, they are in this area too. I hate 'em, blight on the land, noise, dead birds.......NIMBY!

[OLDE CUTLER]

There are a lot of wind mills just east of us in Minnesota and a local company builds the towers and blades. Those composite blades only last so long and they have to be replaced. They are about 100 ft long and get cut up and end up in land fills here. No way to recycle them yet, although some research is being done in that area.

[just bob]

The only thing I got out of the small segment of his tirade that I watched was he was dissin liberals. That's okay with me because I'm a sort of conservative. I guess my question is, what does that have to do with wind farms? There's a bunch of them up and down I-39 in Illinois. Looks to me like there's plenty of farm land between them but what do I know. My point is, I don't understand the objection to them. Except for the cost of the equipment and maintenance, it's free electricity, kinda like hydro-electric.

Not arguing with you, just showing my ignorance on the subject.

IMO Jerry, it's the con / myth that's being represented that this is clean energy and a viable answer to future energy demands. That just isn't the case at all. Wind and solar both have serious liabilities and limitations, and the current power grid isn't capable of transporting that energy into the cities. It is 30 years away from that capability and we never hear about that. We are just told to build more and more. We have really smart people worldwide that are capable of providing feasible solutions. My electric bill has more than doubled in the last 5 years. A large portion of that increase was to subsidize "green" energy. That money could be better spent on real solutions. A 20-year life span of a wind turbine cannot generate enough electricity to erase its own carbon footprint. That is stone-age ideology. Why would we possibly want to build more and erect them in the name of saving the environment?

[Gunsil]

Landman is a TV show and just a TV show, it has little to do with facts or truth. Do y''all watch Yellowstone and think that is real?

[OLDE CUTLER]

If one searches a bit, you will find the pics of the Casper Regional Landfill and the HUNDREDS of wind turbine blades being buried there. Some recycling efforts have been made, but that is more expensive than burying them. Landfills in South Dakota have refused them, so they go to Wyoming and Nebraska. We see trucks on I90 here frequently hauling these blades west, they are over 100 feet long, so they cut them in half first and that means ONE per truckload. Imagine what the cost is of trucking these to a landfill for hundreds of miles to bury them and paying for the fuel, and time for that.

[PringleTree]

Around here it's solar frams.There's lots of reclaimed coal mines in eastern Ohio,but they build solar fields on prime central Ohio farm land.This is truly ridiculous. Makes you wonder why this is going on.
I did learn recently that a huge solar farm(2000 acres) that has been under construction for roughly 2 years on as prime a farm land as there is,is owned by many of the left's friend Bill Gates.So there you go.

Yes, here in Jefferson Co. (easternmost county in WV), we too are dealing with solar farms. One, of about 550 acres, has been completed about four miles down the road from me, with three more in the planning stages throughout the county. It is owned by a Spanish corporation. The only upside to the one completed is that the land (farmland) that it occupies was at one time slated for a townhouse development--part of the rampant housing developing occurring here as people flee northern Virginia and Maryland. A townhouse development at that location would have stretched the capacity of the two roads that intersect there beyond their limits and would have been a nightmare of traffic.
It's my understanding that the electricity generated by this solar farm and the others planned won't go to West Virginians, but will most likely go over the Blue Ridge to help power the electricity-guzzling data centers now existing and being planned in Northern Virginia (Loudoun and Prince William Counties).

[just bob]

Landman is a TV show and just a TV show, it has little to do with facts or truth. Do y''all watch Yellowstone and think that is real?

I agree with what Gene said, and we can't take TV drama as truth. The really sad fact is neither can we take 60 Minutes or the evening news as a source for reliable, unbiased information. It is skewed towards the opinions of the hosts. The undisputed fact is wind and solar are both cleaner than coal as an energy source. Coal use must be eliminated. I get that. The fine print gets blurry and in dispute after that. A carbon footprint is subject to definition. According to Bill Gates wind and solar are not the long-term solution to the energy problem and yet we pump million upon millions of dollars into them for the short term, knowing most likely they will be phased out in less than 20 years. Wouldn't that money be better spent in research and development? Why do we teach elementary aged school children that wind and solar are clean energy and also tell them we are recycling their plastic when we know these are lies? Young minds need to be infused with creativity and not bridled with lies and the myths spun by mega corporations that profit from our ignorance.
A few years back we fought wind farms in this community and won. The county council has passed a moratorium on both wind and solar until, I think it is until the year 2030. Thinking that the technology may change by then, if your community is considering these, they can be challenged. Get organized and make others aware. If your community wants them then so be it. Here is an old thread I posted detailing the struggles here.

viewtopic.php?p=762123&hilit=wind#p762123

[Waukonda]

Landman is a TV show and just a TV show, it has little to do with facts or truth. Do y''all watch Yellowstone and think that is real?

The undisputed fact is wind and solar are both cleaner than coal as an energy source. Coal use must be eliminated.

viewtopic.php?p=762123&hilit=wind#p762123

That statement may be correct if you are talking air quality, but not nearly as correct as it was 30 or 40 years ago. There have been, and continue to be, great strides made in reducing emissions from burning coal. With all due respect, I disagree that coal use must be eliminated, not totally eliminated anyway. It's definitely not going to happen in other parts of the world. Every year we ship millions of tons to other countries for their cheap energy source, that use is only increasing in many countries.

Every day I drive by reclaimed land which is now being farmed, contains new houses, etc. I also see wind and solar farms which have taken acres out of productive use. I know countless people who make a good middle class living wage in the coal industry. I know of no one who actually "works" in solar or wind energy sectors.

[1967redrider]

There's eyesore windmills all around Cumberland, but none on Iron's Mountain luckily. We would never allow any to be put on our farm property. Search YouTube for ones going out in a blaze of glory.

[Mumbleypeg]

Not a fan of wind farms, nor those hideous wind turbines. They are a blight on God’s beauty, and His creatures. I posted about it (with pictures) here some years ago viewtopic.php?p=564698#p564698. The posts commenting on it go on for a couple of pages - don’t think anybody had anything positive.

Ken

[Reverand]

I am all for people putting solar panels on their roofs, and smaller wind turbines on their own property, but I hate to see big "Wind farms" and "Solar farms" that take up useable land and are eyesores, as well as costing a lot of money to maintain. Most are not self-sustainable and require huge government subsidies, from my understanding.
I would love to see innovations that provide cleaner energy and less pollution. I believe that it will happen, though probably not as soon as we would like.

[ThatWeirdKnifeGuy]

One of my best friends works to repair wind turbines. When those giant blades have a crack they are repaired with a fiberglass resin product. The cracked area is ground out then repaired. Sometimes the cracks are dozens of feet long. My friend has spent many full shifts in a row with a sidearm grinder grinding out areas to be repaired. Imagine several guys with grinders for 40 hours a week, outside, grinding on a petroleum product, 100 feet in the air. Now the trucks and lifts to get there, the resin itself for the repair. Also consider the massive amounts of lubrication they require, and how much petroleum product goes into constructing a 200 foot tower.

We have many windfarms nearby. Every bit of power produced is sent to Chicago at a 40% degradation of power, because they'll pay twice as much for it. Thus, every Tesla in a 150 mile radius is charged with coal fired power.

Turbines are terrible for the environment in their own way. Also my friend says that for sure once the subsidies and grants go away they're toast.

Zero point energy is where it's at. Green energies were DOA. Tesla had it all figured out while Edison was still messing around with the challenges of direct current. No not Elon's silly pet project. Im talking Nikola Tesla, the greatest mind to ever grace the planet, and the true father of electricity.

[1967redrider]

Here's one of many. Imagine the wildfire this would start on a hot, dry summer day.

[LKSKNIVES]

We can not run this economy on solar and wind.
Not saying it can’t subsidize power. Green energy as it is and the thought that it can do it all is not feasible in any way shape or form.
Steve