Guys,just bob wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:00 pm Must be called the four-master whittler stockman?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... d-74779966
https://iknifecollector.com/forum/topic ... -questions
https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... ife-c-1977
Quite a while back, Mark Zaleski has an article in either Knife World or Knife Magazine debating with himself as to the spelling of spey. He concluded that he was going with the 'spey' spelling and I go along with that.Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:34 pm FWIW, for some reason my spell checker software doesn't like spey. If I type spey, it changes it to spay (it doesn't like "swedge" either, changes it to "swage").
Out of curiosity I went to dictionary.com.
It says spay means "to neuter". It says "spey" is a river in Scotland! (That was a new one on me.) I've seen both spellings used in cutlery terminology.
Regarding a stockman pattern needing to have a spay (or spey) blade, that's just my opinion. However FWIW Levine's Guide agrees with that. IIRC that section was authored by Pete Cohen.
The article containing the above quote is followed by 3-1/2 pages with pictures of examples of stock knives and Junior stock knives. Depicted are 28 knives by various makers, having three, four, and five blades. And every one of them has a clip and a spey.The master blade of a stock knife is always some type of clip-point. The second blade is usually a spey, for castrating young animals or for skinning. The remaining blade or blades can be a pen, a sheepfoot, or a harness punch.
No, I don't think that a spay blade is needed to classify as a stockman pattern. Many have the combination of clip master, pen and sheepsfoot but those blades aren't necessary either.just bob wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:03 pm
Does a stockman have to have a spay blade? What is the difference between a spay blade and a spey blade? This is from the Buck website.
https://www.buckknives.com/blog/knife-k ... de-shapes/
As the name indicates, this blade was originally developed to neuter farm animals. A rather blunt point avoids poking through a surface by accident, and the overall blade configuration makes the spey function well suited for skinning and sweeping knife strokes.
I worked on a farm throughout high school. Hay baling, cleaning farrowing crates, and piglet castration seemed to be the most common jobs I was asked to help with. The 2 brothers that operated the farm both carried Barlow knives. I'm thinking now maybe Camillus or Ulster but am not certain. No matter if the task was cutting baling twine or castration the Barlow knife was used. They kept those pen blades razor sharp, and I never saw them use any other knives. I don't recall ever seeing a knife with a spey blade until much later on. They used a bander on cattle and there were no sheep or other animals on the farm. Pretty sure if you had offered either of them a stockman knife, they would have laughed at you and told you they had no use for it. Also, pretty sure the guy they called the mechanic also carried a Barlow knife. Much later on I went to an actual hog butchering and recall that they used a heavy fixed blade knife, much like a butcher knife. Even back then Case knives were too pricey to carry and risk losing or damaging. Maybe they used them on larger farming operations?bighomer post_id. ,=1097466 wrote:Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:11 pm I growed up calling it a flesh blade, a trappers got one for skinning game and a stockman got one for castrating hogs and cattle.that my story and I'm sticking to. Op knife is is a four bladed double end bastard jack imho. I'd tote it but it ain't exactly my cup of tea. .