158th Anniversary of Antietam

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158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:46 pm

September 17th, 1863. Bloodiest day in American history. 22,717 dead, wounded, and missing at Antietam Creek, Sharpsburg, Maryland.

A great place to visit and reflect on our history. Beautifully kept in it's original condition. No commercial development or "Battlefield Malls" like many of our sacred sites.
1: Bloody Lane in the center of the battle. Bodies were piled up for cover. One of the most solemn places I've ever stood.

2: Burnside's Bridge today facing the Union right's assault. About 8 feet wide. Burnside spent hours and thousands of lives trying to push a division over
this bridge against Toomb's entrenched Georgians on a bluff over the creek. (next pic)

3: Burnside's Bridge facing the Confederate position on the high bluffs. (Period photo.)

4. Confederate and Union dead near the Dunkard Church on the Hagerstown Pike. Battle center.

The devastating results of civil strife.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by doglegg » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:10 pm

Very sad pics. Amazing history. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:38 pm

Thanks for posting, J.O. I have had an interest in the Civil War since I was 7 or 8 years old when I got a Civil War board game. I have not been to Antietam or Gettysburg, have visited 3 or 4 other battlefields. I hope to go to the Museum of the Confederacy at some point. I was at the Atlanta History Museum a few years ago when they had a major Civil War exhibit with items on loan from the museum in Richmond.

Antietam was brutal.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:07 pm

Better go before the "revisionists" ply their ridiculous trade to change things. J.O'.

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:14 pm

Ridgegrass wrote:
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Better go before the "revisionists" ply their ridiculous trade to change things. J.O'.
Sadly, your statement is good advice.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:12 pm

I made a major date blinder above. Antietam was fought in September 1862, not 1863. So, 159 years ago. Duh!! ::dang:: If you knew that thanks for your indulgence. I'm losing it! J.O'.

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by treefarmer » Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:28 am

The bottom picture says it all.
It is over but it should never be forgotten no matter what side of the line our ancestors were on. It seems there is an element in our country that wants to do this again. :(
Thank you, Ridgegrass for reminding us! ::handshake::
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:54 pm

TF: Sadly, the way history is taught today, I don't think students get an accurate picture of the human consequences of civil violence. They only seem to get some detached version of which cause was right or wrong according to current opinion. I asked a history teacher where I taught how much class time was devoted to the Viet Nam war. One day was the answer. Twenty plus years, 58,000+ dead,(just on our side). countless physical and emotional casualties, and residual political and social scars still around today, and it gets one day's glance! I'm not blaming anybody, it's just the way things are, but no wonder we never learn the true lessons of history.
You're dead right, anybody who thinks another civil war is going to straighten things out had better take a long hard look at the possible outcomes.

Sorry , I'll get down from the soapbox now. ::tu:: :D

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:33 pm

Ridgegrass wrote:
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no wonder we never learn the true lessons of history.


J.O'.
In a small town near me, there are 18 military stones in a line in the center of the city cemetary. All 18 were killed in a 2 day period at the battle of Fort Donelson. The population of this town was less than 1000 at the time of the Civil War. Imagine 18 residents from in and around a very small town all killed within a 24 hour period. Imagine the bodies transported back for burial by horse and wagon and the somber ceremonies.
I would probably be safe in saying that 99% of today's residents have no knowledge of those 18 stones. Yet, to your point, this should, at the very least, be worthy of a 1 hour field trip for the local high school history class.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:13 pm

Ike, I'd like to see a pic of those stones. Grant's first victory. Thanks.
Having paternal roots in SW Virginia and West Virginia we have dead family on both sides. A couple confederates killed at Gettysburg, one Union died in the hell of Andersonville prison and one at Point Lookout prison. Four others made it home okay.

Years ago there used to be Civil War "Round Tables" where students and enthusiasts would have discussions and study of the war. It'd be nice to have a thread here. So much of the Eastern theater happened within MD, VA, and PA it's an area rich in that history, We here are within a half day's drive from Gettysburg, Chambersburg, Monocacy, Antietam, Richmond, Petersburg, Ball's Bluff, Drewry's Bluff, Fredercksburg, Appomattox, Harper's Ferry, Ft. McHenry, Phillipi, and many more. J.O'.

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by philco » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:25 pm

In all honesty I've never been a Civil War buff although I understand and respect those who have devoted much time and energy to the study of that great conflict that divided our nation. This past week I had the opportunity to visit Appomattox Courthouse, the scene of Robert E. Lee's surrender to the Union Army and Gen. Grant. It was, for me, a somber experience as I stood on the same ground where those men had trod so long ago. There were many old photos on display of many men who served and died during that war. Most were young and in their prime at the time they fell. Simply put, it was a sobering experience for me. I hope and pray our country is never again so divided.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:09 am

Ridgegrass wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:13 pm
Ike, I'd like to see a pic of those stones.
Will do, will go by there sometime in the next few days.
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This past week I had the opportunity to visit Appomattox Courthouse, the scene of Robert E. Lee's surrender to the Union Army and Gen. Grant.
Any photos you could share, Phil?
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Years ago there used to be Civil War "Round Tables" where students and enthusiasts would have discussions and study of the war. It'd be nice to have a thread here.
Not sure how much interest we could generate, but I like it. Even those with only a mild interest, but living in the Eastern half of the U.S., should have some local historic connections to share.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:01 am

J.O., you certainly have the family connections, wow. I had one great gr run away from home and join up At age 17, he ended up on Sherman's march to the sea. Your family was really in the thick of it. I remember reading Andersonville back in high school, couldn"t hardly put it down after I started. Calling it "hell", is an understatement.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:18 am

Phil, You probably heard the story of Mr.McLean , in whose house the surrender was signed. How he had moved to Appomattox to escape the war that destroyed his property at Manassas during the first battle of Bull Run in '61. There are so many oddities like that associated with the war.
Joan and I were at Appomattox during a large reenactment some years ago on the anniversary. It was a stirring and very realistic experience, hundreds of
participants in fully authentic dress and gear. I'm pretty sure they'll do one for the 160th on 2025. It would be a fantastic trip for anyone with interest.

Glad you got the chance to see it. J.O'.

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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Waukonda » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:53 pm

Ridgegrass wrote:
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Ike, I'd like to see a pic of those stones. Grant's first victory.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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We did a week long trip in Aug 2018.. Antietam, Monocacy, Harpers Ferry and Gettysburg.. ::ds::
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Ridgegrass » Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 pm

John and Ike: Great pics, very well shot and solemn tributes.
It always strikes me how quiet it is at Bloody Lane. Gotta get by there again soon.
There's a little diner called the Red Byrd on Rte.34 in Keedysville, a few miles north of the battlefield. Always stop in for a bite, Also a nice cavern called Crystal Grottoes nearby. Not huge like Luray but very nice formations. Takes about 1/2 hour to tour.
Thanks again for the pics.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Just Plain Dave » Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:43 pm

It's true. For the best part Kids today know NOTHING and don't care to learn.
TV (even Fox News) is trying to make my head explode.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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Just Plain Dave wrote:
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It's true. For the best part Kids today know NOTHING and don't care to learn.
TV (even Fox News) is trying to make my head explode.
I find I'm not nearly as cantankerous and my life is much more pleasant if I don't read the news, listen to the news or watch the news.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Just Plain Dave » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:01 pm

That's why I Stay in my room a lot.
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::tu::
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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Ridgegrass wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 pm
John and Ike: Great pics, very well shot and solemn tributes.
It always strikes me how quiet it is at Bloody Lane. Gotta get by there again soon.
There's a little diner called the Red Byrd on Rte.34 in Keedysville, a few miles north of the battlefield. Always stop in for a bite, Also a nice cavern called Crystal Grottoes nearby. Not huge like Luray but very nice formations. Takes about 1/2 hour to tour.
Thanks again for the pics.
J.O'.
Hey, J.O'. I picked this up at the Antietam Battlefield Gift Shop. It's yours, if you would like.
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Post by Ridgegrass » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:39 pm

Steve, Thank you very much, that's generous. I just swapped my buddy a copy of Sears', LANDSCAPE TURNED RED for his Gallagher book and it's next on my list. I heard it's good, studies a variety of angles. I never tire of reading that battle or visiting there. Thanks again anyway. ::handshake:: , J.O'.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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You're welcome! :D
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by DM11 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:01 am

I've been to Antietam Battlefield twice. The Atmosphere is different there than any other Civil War Battlefield Ive been to.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by Steve Warden » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 am

Steve Warden wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:07 pm
Ridgegrass wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 pm
John and Ike: Great pics, very well shot and solemn tributes.
It always strikes me how quiet it is at Bloody Lane. Gotta get by there again soon.
There's a little diner called the Red Byrd on Rte.34 in Keedysville, a few miles north of the battlefield. Always stop in for a bite, Also a nice cavern called Crystal Grottoes nearby. Not huge like Luray but very nice formations. Takes about 1/2 hour to tour.
Thanks again for the pics.
J.O'.
Hey, J.O'. I picked this up at the Antietam Battlefield Gift Shop. It's yours, if you would like.
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Anyone else interested? I'll send anywhere here in the US.
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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Steve Warden wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 am
Steve Warden wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:07 pm
Ridgegrass wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 pm
John and Ike: Great pics, very well shot and solemn tributes.
It always strikes me how quiet it is at Bloody Lane. Gotta get by there again soon.
There's a little diner called the Red Byrd on Rte.34 in Keedysville, a few miles north of the battlefield. Always stop in for a bite, Also a nice cavern called Crystal Grottoes nearby. Not huge like Luray but very nice formations. Takes about 1/2 hour to tour.
Thanks again for the pics.
J.O'.
Hey, J.O'. I picked this up at the Antietam Battlefield Gift Shop. It's yours, if you would like.
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Anyone else interested? I'll send anywhere here in the US.
PM sent..
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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jmh58 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:39 pm
Steve Warden wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 am
Steve Warden wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:07 pm


Hey, J.O'. I picked this up at the Antietam Battlefield Gift Shop. It's yours, if you would like.
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Anyone else interested? I'll send anywhere here in the US.
PM sent..
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Right back atcha!
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

Post by jmh58 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:28 pm

Thank You Steve!! 👍🤝👍
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Re: 158th Anniversary of Antietam

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Heading to South Mtn and maybe Antietam next week!! 👍🤔😁👍
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