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G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by olderdogs1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:20 pm

Has anyone heard of G & G Cutlery Co. Buffalo NY? I have one but can find no information on the brand. It has APLDFOP on the back of the main blade tang. Interesting that it has a Half Saber main blade, similar to a Case 3/4 pattern!! Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by Doc B » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:33 pm

Never mind...unable to delete entry in this forum
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by btrwtr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:01 am

Patent applied for.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by peanut740 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:15 am

btrwtr wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:01 am
Patent applied for.
Ditto ::tu::
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by olderdogs1 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:59 am

I agree, any information on the company?
Thanks, Tom

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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by btrwtr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:31 am

Looks very much like Robeson handle material and frame. The Pat Applied For and master blade grind suggests it could be a special purpose knife made on contract by Robeson. Perhaps a small company that was not in the knife business but needed a specialized knife for their business.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by olderdogs1 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:27 pm

btrwtr wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:31 am
Looks very much like Robeson handle material and frame. The Pat Applied For and master blade grind suggests it could be a special purpose knife made on contract by Robeson. Perhaps a small company that was not in the knife business but needed a specialized knife for their business.
Thanks Wayne, any idea of a time period? The half sabers I have are on WRCase &Sons naves 1905-14. Do you believe the patent applied for was for the blade? Thanks in advance. ::tu::

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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by olderdogs1 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:28 pm

olderdogs1 wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:27 pm
btrwtr wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:31 am
Looks very much like Robeson handle material and frame. The Pat Applied For and master blade grind suggests it could be a special purpose knife made on contract by Robeson. Perhaps a small company that was not in the knife business but needed a specialized knife for their business.
Thanks Wayne, any idea of a time period? The half sabers I have are on WRCase &Sons Jack Knives. 1905-14. Do you believe the patent applied for was for the blade? Thanks in advance. ::tu::

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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by btrwtr » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:52 pm

The frame and handles on the knife are rather distinct to Robeson. I am not sure of the time frame that Robeson used this frame along with the rough black type handles that are on the knife. I don't know if Charlie has seen this post but he might be the one to answer that Robeson question. The Patent marking could well be related to the knife's frame.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by richard » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:29 pm

i have this old burk & shaw, english whittler. with a similar main blade. i thought it was a ground down sheeps foot blade ?
could it be what you call a half sabre blade?
i replaced the broken MOP scales on this knife with red bone.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by LongBlade » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:59 pm

Richard - (Aaron) Burkinshaw is not from England (though he emigrated to the US - Is that what you meant by an English whittler?) and is quite collectable ... his shop started for a short time in CT during the mid 1800s but within a few years he moved up to Pepperell Mass where his shop remained until the early 1900s and though he died in 1880 his sons continued the cutlery...
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by RobesonsRme.com » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:16 pm

I have never seen such a blade in a Robeson knife and that flat tang and blade on one side is totally foreign to Robeson.

But, I agree the frame and handle appear to be Robeson.

I suspect the PATENT / APL FOR stamping refers to the frame, which has the nickel-silver frame and bolsters curling over the edges of the handle slabs.

These knives from Robeson had no handle pins, but as the OP knife has no bottom bolster, there has to be a pin there. It holds the knife together.

Here is a Robeson CARPENTER'S CHOICE three blade in what is usually considered a cattle knife pattern. The handle slabs are an early form of Micarta and the only pin is the hinge pin. The handles are secured by the overlapping frame and bolsters.

I no longer own this knife, so I hope its owner doesn't mind me using its photo.

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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by btrwtr » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:24 pm

Thanks for adding in Charlie. I have owned a number of Carpenter's Choice Robesons but don't recall ever seeing one with the NSL lip frame like the knife you owned. Beautiful knife.

I don't remember ever seeing a Robeson with this type frame that wasn't a Robeson Shuredge script type stamp. Further I believe the majority of Robeson's you might find with this type frame are marked with some type of patent stamp as well. This leads me to believe the OP with it's frame and handle material could well have been made c. 1940 WWII time frame or earlier.

Maybe someone can give a better idea of the time frame. Having the patent number would certainly help.

Here is a Robeson I found on eBay that fits into this equation.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by richard » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:53 pm

LongBlade wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:59 pm
Richard - (Aaron) Burkinshaw is not from England (though he emigrated to the US - Is that what you meant by an English whittler?) and is quite collectable ... his shop started for a short time in CT during the mid 1800s but within a few years he moved up to Pepperell Mass where his shop remained until the early 1900s and though he died in 1880 his sons continued the cutlery...
thank you for the info lee. i knew he was born in sheffield england. i thought it was made there.so it seems it was made in pepperell mass, buy him or his sons?but one of the blades has CUTLERY CON .stamped on it ?
it is a well made knife.still walks and talks ,no blade wobble.i dont think it is worth much. as it is modified.but i like it as it is.
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Re: G & G Cutlery Co, Buffalo NY

Post by RobesonsRme.com » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:46 pm

Bernard Levine discussed the Robeson patented technique of securing the handles without pins in his Whut-Izzit? column in KnifeWorld Magazine some time back. The discussion continued over at least one additional issue.

I do not have the magazines, but they might be available from the publisher.

He had the patent application and drawings.

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