question for the bulldog brand collectors

Classic Case · Post by **Classic Case** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:38 am

I was wondering if you know the rough value of this knife.It was given to me by jim parker, he put it in an order of knives i had ordered as a free gift.Its approx. 15'' w/ mastadon handles. it is engraved genuine mastadon ivory. 1 of 8 .The ruler in the picture is 14''.its pretty well mint , as is the sheath.tang stamps are the 2 fighting bulls on etch side ..other side is 4 lines -BULLDOG BRAND-HAMMER FORGED-SURGICAL INST- SOLINGEN GERMANY.thx,

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:55 am

I definitely qualify as a bulldog collector as I have 700 or so.

I will take a stab at the value but of course am interested in others opinion as well. The "surgical Inst." most likely identifies it as a knife that was made around 1993 although most all of the 1st generation fixed blades were made with surgical steel. The handles and inscription of course identify it as a non 1st generation knife. I have seen the 1st generation Simon Kenton bowie, "stag handles" sell for 250.00 or so as is the book value..

There were 204 made of these. Due to the handles on yours and low production I would say yours might fit into that price range if there were a book that included it.. No way to tell exactly, just a guess. I would be proud to own the knife as I am sure others would also.

Tom

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:33 am

I respect Tom's opinion on any Bulldog knife. One of the most knowledgeable I know and he has taught me a lot and I try to pass on some of what I learned.

I would like to know what year you recieved the knife or the year the knife was made. 2 fighting bulls on etch side could mean the knife was a 2004 knife as well as a 1993 to 1995 knife.

I do have in my collection several 3 3/8 inch presentation trappers that can be found at the top of page 114 of Parker's Pocket Knife Traders Guide VOL 7. Some are unlisted prototypes that were SFO'S with COA's and no etch. The production Mastodon Ivory and Genuine Abalone books at $200.00 so I presume the unlisted SFO's may book for more.

With that said and the healthy amount of Mastodon Ivory that Tom mentioned, I think he is in the ballpark, but I also see that it could list for $100 and maybe a little more.

Just a guess, I think that knowing if it were a 3rd or 5th generation after 2004 may help in estimating a ballpark value. I believe I would snag it up fast if I saw it at $250.00.

Classic Case · Post by **Classic Case** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:46 am

Thx for the info guys.

Its definetly from the 90's, i got it with an order for a bunch of just released case classics.

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:33 am

Classic Case wrote:Thx for the info guys. Its definetly from the 90's, i got it with an order for a bunch of just released case classics.

Yeah, I would ballpark it at $250 to $350 just based on what the presentation trappers book for and looking at the 17 inch Bowie books at.

I certainly think it's a very fine knife.

Might be worth it to ask someone at Parkers, but last I talked to them, Ed just played dumb and told me Buzz doesn't know even though Ed never gave Buzz a chance to speak for himself. I was just trying to get a ballpark figure on a knife that was not in the book. Ed didn't want to be bothered with that type question.

Sell it and forget it I guess.

I guess I've been 86'd out of there and others I know have been blocked on eBay, just for returning a defective knife.

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:01 am

Yeah! Hukk, That's some mighty fine Customer Service they got going on over there.

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:03 am

MITCH RAPP wrote: Yeah! Hukk, That's some mighty fine Customer Service they got going on over there.

I'm bad

Ole Ed has threated to sue me for slander back some time ago for writing the TRUTH/factual public record in eBay feedback, then slanders me here on AAPK. Challenges me to call on the non toll free number.
He's a member here and below is the text, about 3rd grade level mentality, IMO. If I did call he'd just yell. If I chose to call I would call the 1-800 number.

Stumbled upon a knife forum where you chose to bash myself and Buzz pretty good. You are more than welcome to call us and speak to us like a man would. So you havent forgot, our number is 423-894-5102. I really look forward to having the chance to defend myself.

Where I come from I'd have to drive all the way Tenn. and walk through the front door to talk. IMO, only women or cowards yell at each other over the phone. With what he wrote, I should sue him for libel or slander. I just gave the facts.

How's that for customer service.

I wasn't bashing or even meaning to, I did print public record. I can bash, that was NOTHING!

OH YEAH, he did give me the moniker of keyboard warrior. I should put that in my signature and wear it proudly.

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:21 pm

I agree with Hukk on the value if the Bowie. I think it is also testimony to the marketing ability of Jim Parker to enclose it as a gift. When he died unfortunately so did a world of knife knowledge.
I have not been happy with the brand new bulldogs at all. I miss the reverse frosting on the blades plus the quality is in my opinion not up to par with past generations. I have not seen the new USA models made by Queen.
The old 1st generation bulldogs are in my opinion some of the finest production knives ever produced.
Tom

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:27 pm

I agree with Tom, pertaining to the Bulldog Brand knives made in the first generation, they are some of the best knives ever made, and I must say a bargain. Although Parker was accussed of high-balling the prices of many knives, there are many knives in the first generation that I see as being VERY UNDERVALUED, primarily stockman knives, the stockman knives that are 4 inches and under. There are some in the first generation that are very undervalued, others are appropriately priced for the most part.

I also like many of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation knives. Not to many of the 4th, but I do see what I regard to be bargains there. The year 2000 is very interesting to collect as there is the standing dog 2000, the double dog head, and the Anno Domini (sp?) gives a collector quite a range tp look at.
Also after 2004, at least the prototypes of 2004 are as good as many of the 1993 knives. I think very highly of the 2004 prototypes but be careful with the black lip peral proto's. I only mention that because I've seen half a dozen that all had pin cracks coming from the rocker pin and this is not a single pattern but SEVERAL!

Within all these generations, there are pieces here and there that I find to be of excellent quality, but many of these that I have are special editions such as some Warncliffe Whittlers made in 2002 and 2003 that are excellent. I also have some with stag, appears to be European Stag, but it is of very high quality, it could stand on it own as European stag, IMO..

The Barlow is a very simple knife Bulldog is putting out, the bolster is spot welded to the liner, scales pinned on, couldn't be any simpler to build.
I do miss the frosted etch, like to see it back. I was told it olny adds $7.00 to the cost of the knive to make, I'd certainly pay for it if it was quality made.