A Little History Lesson
- PA Knives
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A Little History Lesson
Hi Gang!
Yes I am back, if only for a few minutes. I just wanted to tease some of you with my latest research. Nov 1847 Rodgers and Another vs. Nowill and Another.
The action taken in the court of Common Pleas of New York is a prime example the practice of altering tang stamps so that the consumer thinks he is getting a top brand at a great price. This 1847 folks, it happened back then just like it does today. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a brief quote from the court records, "pocket knives witha certain stamp or mark, consisting, to wit, of the figures of a crown, placed between the capital letters V. and R., with the words "J. Rodgers & Sons, " in letters thereunder, in manner following, that is to say [here a fac-simile of the mark was set out.] The declaration than averred that the said pocket knives were so marked by the plaintiffs as aforesaid, in order to denote that they were articles of cutlery prepared, manufactured and made by the plaintiffs, and to distinguish them from articles of cutlery of the same description, manufactured or made by other persons. Held in very high estimation by dealders in cutlery, on acocount of thier good quality.
Counterfiet plain and simple. I recall a Kane Cutlery a few weeks ago on ebay that was clearly a new knife. Sold for over $250 Should have sold for $60 or $70 at most. I didn't say anything, becuase I have learned that most won't listen anyways.
My point is that it isn't anything new and now I have proof of that.
Hope you enjoyed my short history lesson. More to come I am sure.
Yes I am back, if only for a few minutes. I just wanted to tease some of you with my latest research. Nov 1847 Rodgers and Another vs. Nowill and Another.
The action taken in the court of Common Pleas of New York is a prime example the practice of altering tang stamps so that the consumer thinks he is getting a top brand at a great price. This 1847 folks, it happened back then just like it does today. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a brief quote from the court records, "pocket knives witha certain stamp or mark, consisting, to wit, of the figures of a crown, placed between the capital letters V. and R., with the words "J. Rodgers & Sons, " in letters thereunder, in manner following, that is to say [here a fac-simile of the mark was set out.] The declaration than averred that the said pocket knives were so marked by the plaintiffs as aforesaid, in order to denote that they were articles of cutlery prepared, manufactured and made by the plaintiffs, and to distinguish them from articles of cutlery of the same description, manufactured or made by other persons. Held in very high estimation by dealders in cutlery, on acocount of thier good quality.
Counterfiet plain and simple. I recall a Kane Cutlery a few weeks ago on ebay that was clearly a new knife. Sold for over $250 Should have sold for $60 or $70 at most. I didn't say anything, becuase I have learned that most won't listen anyways.
My point is that it isn't anything new and now I have proof of that.
Hope you enjoyed my short history lesson. More to come I am sure.
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Author of "Great Eastern Cutlery: An American Tradition, The History of the Northfield & Tidioute Brands" & "Tidioute: A Town With an Edge" “The Chronicles of Cooper Cutlery”
Author of "Great Eastern Cutlery: An American Tradition, The History of the Northfield & Tidioute Brands" & "Tidioute: A Town With an Edge" “The Chronicles of Cooper Cutlery”
- upnorth
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Re: A Little History Lesson
YES!!!!! Welcome Back!!!!!!!!!!
We missed Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We missed Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Utopia!! A chicken in every pot!! And a Barlow in every pocket!!!
Johnnie Fain would have approved!
1949 - 2009
Johnnie Fain would have approved!
1949 - 2009
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Re: A Little History Lesson
Thanks for the lesson and
back!! 
johnnierotten
So far,So good...So What!!
So far,So good...So What!!
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ea42
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Re: A Little History Lesson
Thanks for the info PA, and thanks for checking in, it's great to see you're back!
Eric
Eric
- orvet
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Re: A Little History Lesson
Welcome back David!
We missed your history lessons.
It sounds like there may be a new book in the works??? We can only hope.
Take care,
Dale
We missed your history lessons.
It sounds like there may be a new book in the works??? We can only hope.
Take care,
Dale
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bulldog
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Re: A Little History Lesson
good to have ya back on, dave. kinda had me worried ya might
have "runoft" and left your ole knifer buddys to fend for
themselves!
have "runoft" and left your ole knifer buddys to fend for
themselves!
- testcase
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Re: A Little History Lesson
I love this site and the knowledge I have gleaned just perusing previous post. Please keep them coming!!!
Tod