case knives noob questions 101

[NEVERaDULLmoment]

what makes a 'stockman' a stockman?

what qualifies ?

[gsmith7158]

Generally it is a 3 blade serpentine frame over 3 inches
Blade configuration is normally clip, spey and sheepsfoot but may vary.

[RalphAlsip]

Generally it is a 3 blade serpentine frame over 3 inches
Blade configuration is normally clip, spey and sheepsfoot but may vary.

I agree... and there are likely many differing opinions that are correct. These pictures highlight some of the characteristics that I use. There is a tremendous amount of ambiguity in defining what constitutes a Stockman pattern, and what constitutes a Whittler and a Cattle knife which I have compared below. I am hopeful more clarity than confusion will result from my attempt to answer.

NEVERaDULLmoment is a very apt user name to be associated with this question

[gsmith7158]

Jerry you may be severely reprimanded for not indicating that the secondary blades in your whittler will operate on a single spring of their own while the master will bear on both springs

[TwoFlowersLuggage]

Generally it is a 3 blade serpentine frame over 3 inches

However, there are also "small stockman" and "midget stockman" that are under 3 inches...

[gsmith7158]

Generally it is a 3 blade serpentine frame over 3 inches

However, there are also "small stockman" and "midget stockman" that are under 3 inches...

TFL you had better watch your step. The purists may have you drawn and quartered for a statement like that.

[Mumbleypeg]

I'll add one more criteria. If it doesn't have a spey blade, it's not a stockman! That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Actually, Levine says "the master blade of a stock knife is always a clip of some sort. The second blade is usually a spey, for castration of young animals or for skinning. The remaining blade or blades can be a pen, a sheepfoot, or a harness punch."

Ken

[gsmith7158]

Of course I'm only joking with my staements above but the OP question makes me harken back to some of our previous conversations we've had here. Just too much fun.
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[rea1eye]

You guys sure answered the question like true gentleman.

I learned from this discussion.

Bob

[zp4ja]

Never heard of a "Midget Stockman". I think you mean 'Baby Stockman" as in the 3 blade CASE 27 Pattern also known to some as the "Stockman's Sunday Dress".

Jerry

[TwoFlowersLuggage]

Never heard of a "Midget Stockman". I think you mean 'Baby Stockman" as in the 3 blade CASE 27 Pattern also known to some as the "Stockman's Sunday Dress".

Jerry

Nope, I mean "Midget Stock", which is a Camillus #77. Camillus also made a "Junior Stock" (#65), a "Pony Stock" (#83) and a "Baby Stock" (#76). If it's good enough for Camillus, it's good enough for me...

This is from the 1972 Camillus catalog: http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Ca ... WCD-2s.pdf

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[Mumbleypeg]

They can call them whatever they want, but I can't see any farmers or ranchers carrying those, unless it's to church on Sunday. Too small to do any serious stock work. And no spey, sheepfoot or punch? Of course very few people currently use pocket knives for such purposes anyway, so in today's world that's probably a mute point.

Ken

[doglegg]

Never heard of a "Midget Stockman". I think you mean 'Baby Stockman" as in the 3 blade CASE 27 Pattern also known to some as the "Stockman's Sunday Dress".

Jerry

Nope, I mean "Midget Stock", which is a Camillus #77. Camillus also made a "Junior Stock" (#65), a "Pony Stock" (#83) and a "Baby Stock" (#76). If it's good enough for Camillus, it's good enough for me...

This is from the 1972 Camillus catalog: http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Ca ... WCD-2s.pdf

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L I B M R Midget Stockman

[zp4ja]

We are talking specifically CASE terms Gents, not Camillus. This post is in the CASE Forum not the Camillus or a general discussion forum. That means no other manufacturers terms apply in my opinion. Maybe applies to new school CASE, not sure as I don’t follow CASE newer knives.

Look at post title. Seems specific to CASE knives to me.

Jerry

[royal0014]

No need to be rude .....

Seems the OP asked a very general purpose question .. .. ..
and got rather specific, if slightly off topic, answer(s).

jmho .

[btrwtr]

I think it is important to realize that what a specific manufacturer calls a knife they make does not always apply to what is generally accepted by collectors as a particular patterns name.

As an example Camillus referred to their 72 pattern as a whittler's knife but the knife is not generally accepted by collectors as a whittler pattern.

What the maker calls a knife is fine and should not be specifically argued. That in itself does not necessarily apply to all similar knives made by other manufacturers.

[Mumbleypeg]

These threads on AAPK are like conversations among friends sitting around drinking coffee (or beer). This conversation started off with a specific question about Case stockman knives, continued that way for a while. The someone threw in that Camillus had something different, which sent the conversation into the relative merits, or lack thereof, of that.

I think Jerry was just pointing out that his remarks were about the original topic (Case), not Camillus. It's all good! And we all learned something. I did anyway.

Ken

[zp4ja]

Well said Wayne. Agreed.

Correct Ken.

Still trying to figure out whom and what was said that was rude though.

Jerry

[RalphAlsip]

Here is another variation to add to the "what makes it a Stockman" question. In the first set of pictures I posted was a Case XX 6375 that is called a Stockman. Here is another 75 pattern (i.e., the very same frame that has been identified as a Stockman) that is call a Moose instead of a Stockman. The Moose has a pattern number of 6275 while the Stockman is a 6375. There was a point in the not too distant past where arcane details like this were confusing, overwhelming, and intimidating to me so for anyone who might be feeling the same way hang in there and keep looking at knives and asking questions.

[stockman]

Jerry is your Moose a long pull?

Harold

[RalphAlsip]

Jerry is your Moose a long pull?Harold

Harold, no it is not a long pull. I wish it was. My 6375 Stockman is a long pull.