When is a knife considered rare?

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:09 am

Interesting how this thread turned from "rare" to "RARE" so rapidly.

I.too am a fan of,"flinching steak".My wife knows EXACTLY how to cook(?)it and I am never disappointed.

I did find out an interesting thing at a restaurant a short time ago.I wanted to order a hamburger rare which the waitress said they weren't allowed to do BUT if I ordered a STEAK burger(ground sirloin)I could get it as rare as I liked.I guess that is their way of getting around the ordinance.

I had a friend of mine who lived in San Francisco whose brother lived up in Alaska(since 1957).He would go caribou hunting there every year and being an amateur(now professional)photographer would usually do a lot of filming.
His brother had an unusual habit when bagging his first caribou of the hunt:That of removing the still-warm heart of the animal and consuming it on the spot.Little TOO RARE for me!

I also got a laugh out of the daughter's boyfriend thing:my ex- brother in law used to do pretty much the same when Kim(his daughter)would bring home a boyfriend.Somehow Ralph would always be at the kitchen table cleaning his guns.He used to do a lot of trap shooting but it seemed he was always cleaning his S&W model 29 with the 8 3/8ths inch barrel chambered on .44 Magnum. The fact that Ralph could pass for Chuck Norris' twin brother didn't help the situation any.Don't remember any of the kids dating Kim more than once.

Enclosing a pic of one "rare" knife that I acquired recently.In 50 plus years of collecting I have never seen another one and I can understand why.With the master blade open it is almost impossible to grip the knife due to the other blade being folded.

Sauconian · Post by **Sauconian** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:40 am

Wow KK, I bet that is a rare one ! And except for that cleaver, it looks exactly like my Olcut Union Cut Co. coke bottle. Same covers, pin placement etc.

I think maybe the cutlery business has about the same genetic diversity as the small town I live in.

Fran

Hey Jim, What was your question ?

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:44 am

Actually it was made by Colonial. From what I can find out this pattern was made prior to WWI.Not sure if it was continued after the war.I have a few pre-war Colonials and they all seem to have different tang stamps.

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:53 am

I consider this a pretty rare knife as well:A Press-Button Knife Co. one armed man's knife with cast aluminum scales and if get it in just the right light you can see the etch on the blade:"Compliments of the A.A.Marks Company Newark N.J.- maker of artificial limbs" This was supposedly given to Spanish American War veterans who had lost an arm in service.

singin46 · Post by **singin46** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:15 am

I would have to say that 1 of 1 would be pretty rare and pretty scarce. Schatt Buffalo Horn Harness Jack.

Singin the cattle call46

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:30 pm

knife7knut wrote:I consider this a pretty rare knife as well:A Press-Button Knife Co. one armed man's knife with cast aluminum scales and if get it in just the right light you can see the etch on the blade:"Compliments of the A.A.Marks Company Newark N.J.- maker of artificial limbs" This was supposedly given to Spanish American War veterans who had lost an arm in service.

You should post this in Knife Lore forum. LT has quite a collection of these & even has some in his book.

Dale

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:50 am

Here's a few rare ones from different eras:The first is a Buck 186 Titan;the first Buck titanium handled knife.It was unique in that it could be disassembled for cleaning.The wrench was attached to the side of the knife.It also had a removeable belt clip.Don't know how many were made;I've never seen another one since I bought it nearly 20 years ago.
The second is a stag handled dagger stamped,"Cogswell and Harrison Gunmakers London". Looks to be early 1900's.
The last is a belt buckle knife by the Nolen Brothers.I swapped it for a Tony Lama belt buckle I paid $5 for years ago.Stopped wearing it when the airlines got strict.

singin46 · Post by **singin46** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:02 am

Very cool buckle knife.

Singin46

Duffy · Post by **Duffy** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:26 am

Sauconian wrote:Wow KK, I bet that is a rare one ! And except for that cleaver, it looks exactly like my Olcut Union Cut Co. coke bottle. Same covers, pin placement etc.

I think maybe the cutlery business has about the same genetic diversity as the small town I live in.

Fran

Hey Jim, What was your question ?

My heart skipped a beat when I saw KK's and your coke bottle knives. I'm mostly collecting folding hunters and the coke bottle pattern is my favorite. Thanks for the picts. I'm sure I will probably never find any like those to hold in my hands and get a close look at. At least now I will know what one is if I ever do stumble across one of them. duffy

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:49 am

[/quote] My heart skipped a beat when I saw KK's and your coke bottle knives. I'm mostly collecting folding hunters and the coke bottle pattern is my favorite. Thanks for the picts. I'm sure I will probably never find any like those to hold in my hands and get a close look at. At least now I will know what one is if I ever do stumble across one of them. duffy[/quote]

Well Duffy here's a couple to engage that ol' pacemaker

The top knife(the one partially open)is an old Froslone Italy which isn't really a coke bottle.Neither is the Remington;more of a Daddy Barlow pattern.

The others are(from top to bottom:An old Imperial,an H&B,a Wilbert Cutlery,another Imperial,and a Northfield.Enjoy.

Sauconian · Post by **Sauconian** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:44 am

Well Duffy, These don't compare to KK's. They're not rare or scarce, but I'm happy to oblige you with photos, even lousy photos.

The top is aYELLERQueen City, I think from 1990. The smooth brown bone is stamped KA-BAR on the mark side of the tang and SBC92 on the reverse. It also has serial # 301 on the endcap, and a Union Cutlery Company etch. It seems to be identical to the Queen except for the blade grind.

If anyone can shed some light on the kabar, I'd appreciate it.

If this thread was a row boat, we'd be out in the shipping lanes by now !!

I sure do like that Northfield K.K. !

Fran

Duffy · Post by **Duffy** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:58 am

Both of you are making my wife think I'm having a bad reaction to my blood pressure med. because I'm slobbering at the mouth.

Those are some wonderful knives you both have. I realy enjoy looking at the pictures, thanks. BTW, would any one know if all large coke bottle knives are the same frame size reguardless of the maker?

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:31 am

Sauconian wrote:Well Duffy, These don't compare to KK's. They're not rare or scarce, but I'm happy to oblige you with photos, even lousy photos.

The smooth brown bone is stamped KA-BAR on the mark side of the tang and SBC92 on the reverse. It also has serial # 301 on the endcap, and a Union Cutlery Company etch. It seems to be identical to the Queen except for the blade grind.

If anyone can shed some light on the kabar, I'd appreciate it.

Fran

Doesn't matter whether they are scarce or not;they're beautiful knives! As to the KaBar;is the tang stamp slanted or are the letters vertical with a dash between the letters(KA-BAR).I have a Dogs Head folding hunter that was a re-issue in 1989 that featured the old style stamp but had an 11-89 date on the other side.They offered them in either 1 or 2 blades singly or as a serialized set.
From the sound of it,it sounds like it may have been made for a club(e.g.: S-----Blade Collectors 92)and the #301 a serial number. Ka-Bar had their own collector's club and used to issue yearly knives.I never joined but picked one up at a knife show. You might try an issue of Bernard Levine's Knife guide;if I remember correctly he used to list various knife clubs in the appendix of his book.

This pic shows the Ka-Bar Collector's Club knife at the top;the Ka-Bar Dogs head reproduction next;a Gerber Gunstock(my name for it),a very rare Track(Ithaca Gun Works)folder,a Rigid Apache I did some file work on(I couldn't file the blade;it was too hard)and a Smith and Wesson folder on the side.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:02 pm

I was just looking at ebay...................

Another term abused on ebay besides “vintage” & “rare” is “bone handle.”
Some sellers have no clue which knives have bone handles & which don’t. I wish I had a dollar for every Old Timer or Uncle Henry I see listed as “bone handle” when they are in fact Delrin (plastic).

I have not had this happen to me, but I have always wondered if a person could get their money back if they bought one listed as bone handle & it turned out to be plastic?

Dale

okbohn · Post by **okbohn** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:32 pm

Sometimes on Ebay a seller will list a Schrade as stag when it is really their stagalon (plastic). Often when they list it that way, they clarify that it is fake stag and in fact stagalon in the description. The reason is that they are hoping to draw the hits from people looking for stag.

If they don't make that clarification, as long as someone pays by Paypal, they can get their money back.

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:10 pm

Sauconian

The top is a YELLER Queen City, I think from 1990....

I have been looking for one just like that one....

What can I do for you to pass her to my hands ?

Are you willing to let her come to my house?

Do you have the factory box for her too ???

Sauconian · Post by **Sauconian** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:31 pm

Ken,

I only have a collection of 3 coke bottles.

If I send that blond gal to your house, I'll only have a pair of coke bottles.

Unless you have an Allentown knife to trade.

Fran

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:02 am

Sauconian

O POOP.

I know I have some kind of coke bottle knife some where.

When I find her I will mark her YOURS. So you still will have 3...

As far as that Allentown Knife

I am sorry but still have not found one for you. I just not know about them and that makes me not wanting to buy one on E bay for you. But you can send me the YELLOW one cuz it's my B-DAY Nov 29th....

I am willing to add a pewter salt & pepper shaker. Give this grate offer some thought please.