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The W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Company has a very rich history that began in 1889 when William Russell (“W.R.”), Jean, John, and Andrew Case began fashioning their knives and selling them along a wagon trail in upstate New York. The company has produced countless treasures and it continues to do so as one of the most collected brands in the world.
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Picked these up at a garage sale this morning , I researched them and I'm wondering if I'm right .
CASE 64052 1980 Congress 10 dot , but I can't tell if it's Derlin , or bone ? Peach seed jig or ? It is the CASE XX with 10 dots inbetween the USA , the S's are lightening bolt style.

CASE 6250 1982 E Toe 8 dot , but is it Laminated wood , bone , or Derlin ? Peach seed jig or ?
CASE XX over USA with 8 dots underneath . S's are normal rounded ones.

I'm not sure if I should have posted this under The Q & A forum either . :?
Thanks any help.
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Toenail is wood.Not considered peach seed jig.Just regular Case jigging of the time.
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peanut740 wrote:Toenail is wood.Not considered peach seed jig.Just regular Case jigging of the time.
Thanks peanut740. ::tu:: Now I want to now about the congress ,what the handle material is.
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Appears to be bone from the pictures.
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Agree it looks like bone, and it doesn't have the composition shield (composition shield has no oval stamped around CASE) so I'd say it's bone.

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Thanks ::tu:: Ken and BIGHEAD I was hoping it was bone. So when i see that kind of shield it means it's bone ? Is it a 1980 ? This is the first Congress I've ever had... I think I like this pattern ,if it wasn't in mint condition it would make a nice EDC. 8)
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Yes 1980
Also you could find that shield on a Delrin handle ( error )
So pay attention to the way it feels and looks. Pretty easy to tell the difference when you have the knife in hand. Bone and Delrin feel different . ( to me anyway)
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True, they do feel different. You can also do the teeth tap test. Tap them (lightly) on your teeth. Bone and Delrin sound different.

If it's an '80 model is pack it.
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Case "composition" shield looks like this. Case started using this shield sometime in 1974. Pre-1974 Delrin-handled knives (and some made during 1974) had the standard shield with the stamped oval around "CASE". The composition shield was discontinued in 1987. Steve Pfeiffer's book is the best resource for this sort of Case info. As BIGHEAD points out there were some factory errors so other tests using the senses are always in order.

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Maybe we can ask one of our site admins, if they have some time, to add a picture of the "composition" shield to the other Case XX Shields in the Research section of AAPK. http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/con ... x-shields/
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Also look at the picture (mumbley just posted) how the shield looks where it meets the scale. Looks like it was melted to the handle. Gonna be smooth on Bone.
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BIGHEAD wrote:Also look at the picture (mumbley just posted) how the shield looks where it meets the scale. Looks like it was melted to the handle. Gonna be smooth on Bone.
This definitely doesn't have the melted in look . I've always since I was about 10 years old picked up knives here and there , and have only got into really buying and collecting ,and learning about them for about a year and a half...as a newbie to this...Do you think I did good , fair , or average paying $160 for these 2 knives ? No boxes with them , and they are both mint or near mint.

I really like AAPK and the expert knowledgeable help I've got from here . ::tu:: Thanks again to all that help the new guys here .
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For a definitive answer to your "what material was used for this handle", get yourself one of these little lighted 45X microscopes. They can be carried in your pocket and are available on eBay for less than $2 shipped.
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Here's what the difference in bone and Delrin looks like. The spots on the bone are the haversian canals that surround blood vessels and nerve cells throughout bones.
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I agree, the 50 pattern is wood. However, assuming you can count ALL the dots and that there are 8 visible and none covered by the bolster, I believe that would be a 1972' knife, not an 1982'.

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zp4ja wrote:I agree, the 50 pattern is wood. However, assuming you can count ALL the dots and that there are 8 visible and none covered by the bolster, I believe that would be a 1972' knife, not an 1982'.

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+1 on 1972 ::tu::
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X 2,1972.
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BIGHEAD and peanut740 you guys are right. I went back to the CASE research pages again...it IS a 1972 . Now I like the knife even better . When I bought it , it was in a blue velvet Crown Royal bag with a draw string , that must be how it stayed in such nice shape .

Jerry D those are excellent pictures there about derlin or bone , I have a Holub electricians knife that looks just like ::tu:: the derlin in the picture , and some other knives that I've been thinking were derlin , but now I think they are bone instead :)
Here's one that comes with a certificate of what the handles made of ::clapping::
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