Rare patterns

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:47 pm

Looks like both. I've been made a number offers that are way above what I thought the knife was worth and I got the knife with my friends Grandfathers obit., life story from a newspaper article about his life and a picture of him as a fairly young man holding (with his one arm) his little daughter (my friends mom). The gentleman farmer a large dairy farm and raised 4 children after loosing his arm to a steam engine threshing machine belt.____Dave

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:04 pm

djknife13 wrote:Looks like both. I've been made a number offers that are way above what I thought the knife was worth and I got the knife with my friends Grandfathers obit., life story from a newspaper article about his life and a picture of him as a fairly young man holding (with his one arm) his little daughter (my friends mom). The gentleman farmer a large dairy farm and raised 4 children after loosing his arm to a steam engine threshing machine belt.____Dave

My philosophy has always been that a gift from someone is something very special to be treasured. I was given what I found out later was an extremely valuable knife by a good friend of mine. The gentleman who decoded the Arabic cyphers inlaid in the knife offered me a very large sum of money if I would sell it to him. I didn't hesitate and declined his offer explaining my stance. It still sits in my collection as the centerpiece of some pretty rare pieces.
My hat is off to you sir for sticking with your scruples.

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:17 am

Some awesome rare patterns posted in this thread… nice knives all

Here’s another Double Gunstock pen made by Wostenholm… indeed a fairly rare pattern among makers and
Greedy – that is a beauty of a Double Gunstock by Boker you posted!!… Figured I would post this one which sports a few different blades from the Boker...

IXL Wostenholm Sheffield England - Ivory; Nickel Silver Bolsters; Brass Liners; 3 & 3/4” closed – 4 blades – 2 spear point, a spey blade and the rounded tip blade with cutting edge is one that I haven’t had much luck finding on other knives except as seen in BRL’s book where a similar Wostenholm Double Gunstock was pictured and the same blades are shown. The best I can come up with is that blade was for harvesting sorghum grain

…. Any help here to confirm or correct the name of the rounded blade would be appreciated!!

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Lee

Mumbleypeg · Post by **Mumbleypeg** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:24 am

A few days ago I'd never seen a double gunstock knife. Now two in a row. Gotta find me one!

Ken

FRJ · Post by **FRJ** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:28 am

Another beauty of a knife, Lee.

I hope someone can ID the round blade. Maybe some thing endemic to England or Europe.

ScoutKnives · Post by **ScoutKnives** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:17 am

Here is a rare pattern of a Remington surveyors utility knife .

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:30 am

FRJ wrote:Another beauty of a knife, Lee.
I hope someone can ID the round blade. Maybe some thing endemic to England or Europe.

A beautiful and rare knife to be sure! The blade you are referring to almost looks like a sheepfoot blade that has been rounded off.JMHO

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:54 am

Thanks fellas

K7Knut - I also thought that it was also a rounded off blade be it a sheepsfoot or whatever - it just didn't look right until I saw the same exact blade in Levine's book under Double Gunstock Pens... similar Wostenholm Double Gunstock (with no bolsters) and but same exact blades - the caption for the knife only notes a corn blade but I thought the corn blade was more spey like but maybe it is that round tip blade... so in the end I do think it is a special blade of some sort and best I could find as a match was to harvest sorghum or grain which may be wrong.. just not sure.. but appreciate your opinion!

wlf · Post by **wlf** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:44 am

I BET that is very rare Mike,you have a terrific scout knife collection.

The corn knife you are referring to Lee ,I think ,is used to harvest stalks of maize or cane(used to make sugar,or molasses,sorghum,etc. whatever it's called in your neck of the woods). It's more like a machete.We used to use big butcher knives.

The blade in your knife seems to be a form of corn blade,like the speys. JMO, not fact..

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:54 pm

Lee, that rounded blade almost looks like a box opener used in the late 1800's and very early 1900"s to open cigar and sugar boxes except it doesn't have the little nail puller notch. I have a 6 blade Wilbert congress the has a box opener blade and that cigar tool I posted in the start of this thread has one. It probably isn't what yours is but it could be for some similar use that has been lost to the ages. I sure like your knife. ___Dave

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:51 pm

LongBlade wrote: The best I can come up with is that blade was for harvesting sorghum grain ….
Any help here to confirm or correct the name of the rounded blade would be appreciated!!

Lee,
That blade is a perfect pipe reaming blade. There is no point that would dig in to the wooden bowl, causing a burnout, just a nice sharp cutting edge for scraping the cake down on the walls of the pipe. I have a number of pipe knives with similar blades made expressly to cut down the cake in a pipe.
I must say the swedge on that blade puts if over the top for me!

Given the popularity of tobacco pipes in the UK until recently, I would feel confident in saying that is a pipe reaming blade.

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:00 pm

I think you just nailed it Dale! Didn't even cross my mind that it could be a pipe reamer.

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:25 pm

Thanks again for all the comments on the knife and "mystery" blade

orvet wrote:I must say the swedge on that blade puts if over the top for me!
Given the popularity of tobacco pipes in the UK until recently, I would feel confident in saying that is a pipe reaming blade.

Dale - Great - I think you nailed it as well and when I first saw that knife blade I also noticed the nice swedge on that strange blade (and I also knew at that point this was not a round tipped blade that started out as something else)!!! Cool a pipe reamer - I knew if I would find out anywhere it would be here on AAPK

RobesonsRme.com · Post by **RobesonsRme.com** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:03 am

I think Dale is correct, even modern pipe knives have similar blades.

But, is that blade flexible at all. Looks a bit like a spatula, but I assume you would have thought of that already.

I need to photograph my pearl handled Robeson four blade double gunstock.

I thought I had, but I cannot locate it in my picture files.

Charlie

Mumbleypeg · Post by **Mumbleypeg** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:58 am

That Pearl is a real beauty Charlie.

I guess it was made for opening your wine bottle while smoking a pipe!

Ken

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Boy you guys are smart. You learn new stuff around here all the time. I had to dig out an old cheap pipe knife I haven't seen in years that was stored with some old pipes from my college days to see what the blade looked like. It looks like a modern (1960's) version of these two "pipe" blades. I think you guys nailed it. ___Dave

dcgm4 · Post by **dcgm4** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:12 pm

Nice one, Charlie!

Here are a couple more: a champagne knife with unusual backsprings that follow the shape of the bolsters and a mechanical pencil knife (sadly missing the part which covers the lead holder).

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:47 pm

Super nice knives Charlie and Dave

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Charlie - would love to see the Robeson version of the double gunstock if you have the photo for posting...

RobesonsRme.com · Post by **RobesonsRme.com** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:10 pm

I think I need to photograph it.

Charlie

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:31 pm

I think this pattern is pretty rare on old knives. This is a Keen Kutter if my memory serves. I think this pattern is a Half Canoe. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. ___Dave

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:34 pm

djknife13 wrote:I think this pattern is pretty rare on old knives. This is a Keen Kutter if my memory serves. I think this pattern is a Half Canoe. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. ___Dave

Sorry about the lousy picture. The blade isn't as bad as the refection makes it appear. ___Dave

RobesonsRme.com · Post by **RobesonsRme.com** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:30 pm

The pearl handled Robeson knife with the spatula blade I posted above is a German made knife that M.F. Robeson imported between 1891 and 1895 or so.

It is a German physician's knife or pharmacist's knife for opening old, cork sealed medicine bottles and mixing medical compounds.

Here are two hand-held cell phone photos of my Robeson double-ended pearl gunstock. I took these under a set of fan lights, using no flash, but still the pearl is a bit over-exposed and washed out and they are not well focused. I used my photo editor to change the color and contrast, so the two photos don't match, but I think this is about the best I can do right now.

It is 3 1/2" long.

All four blades are marked with the ROBESON (arched) / CO. / CUTLERY stamp, which should be read as, " Robeson Cutlery Company".

Tom Kalcevic in Knives Can Talk! dates that stamp 1900 to 1916.

This knife has no pattern number, which I think puts it more toward the 1900 date, as they started using pattern numbers shortly after that.

Long pulls on all four blades on a Robeson is an indicator of age and higher quality.

The pearl handles on this knife are almost perfect, without flaking or edge chips.

There is a bit more luster on the blades than these photos show. It's been treated with a bit of Semi-Chrome.

Charlie Noyes

carrmillus · Post by **carrmillus** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:50 pm

.love that pattern, Charlie!!!....seems like I remember someone posting one somewhere that was jigged brown bone with a bar shield that was really neat!!!.............

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Mumbleypeg · Post by **Mumbleypeg** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:39 pm

Beautiful! Wonderful old Robeson.

Ken

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:35 pm

Charlie, both those pearls are breathtaking and rare in any condition much and all the more when they are that clean. Somebody spent a lifetime caring for them. ___Dave

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