Second Cut Bone?

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:52 pm

I have a Case XX Congress with that appears to be burnt bone handles. That, in itself, isn't relative; however, the Pattern Number is "SC60452". Could anyone, without making me feel really ignorant, enlighten me as to what the SC indicates? I have always had the impression, it meant "Second Cut" but I don't recall seeing a Second Cut handle made from bone. It's always stag. Please help! Thanks!!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:05 pm

i believe it's second cut stag not bone.

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:07 pm

That's kind of what I figured but why the "6" as opposed to the standard "5"? It seems to confuse things! Thanks for your reply!!!!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:12 pm

case used the "6" because the "5" is used for the outer layer of stag. some early case second cuts stags came with "5", some with "6" and are very valuable.

knifeswapper · Post by **knifeswapper** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:40 pm

It is second cut bone; and I believe were made exclusively for Frost in the early to mid 1990's. It is just a marketing name as bone is bone; it can be jigged at any depth until you get to the marrow; and it still looks the same.

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:08 pm

I'm not convinced the handles are "second cut" bone. There's really no cause to second cut a material such as bone. On the other hand, stag has a different look to it, after a second cut, deeper from the surface. I certainly could be wrong! I was wrong several times....in the last couple of minutes! Anyway, I'd sure like to get some sort of definite information. Having been collecting Case XX for only a short time, I'm still not up on all the variables the Case company has to offer! It's a maze!!!![/b]

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:28 pm

Thought I'd try and clear the air a bit. SEE THE PICTURE. Sure LOOKS like stag but.......

mkc · Post by **mkc** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:46 pm

I'm sure that the "SC" is for second cut, but if its bone or stag I'm not sure. When was that Congress made? Here's a link to Case's new second cut stag series.

http://www.wrcase.com/knives/pocket_kni ... Item='5675'

Well the links not working right but you can find it on page 6 of the pocket knife section.

knifeswapper · Post by **knifeswapper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:28 am

Well I can't make anyone believe it. But have you ever seen green stag?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CASE-XX-MCMXCV-GREE ... dZViewItem

Case does not put "6" on stag knives unless it is a factory error. And I have had dozens of this knife and other models from the same year come thru here; all marked SC6XXX.

This conversation has come up before and I believe it was knifaholic that informed us of the Frost connection.

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:25 am

Sorry, Knifeswapper! I didn't set out to defy your helpful advice! I'm concerned with Case using a "6" for handles identified initially with "SC". It's not that I don't beleive you; far from it! Actually, I'm inclined to believe it IS a factory error, or SC stag. I intend to call Case in the AM and settle this, at which time I'll go to Ebay and try to clear up my listing.

The knife was dated with Roman Numerals: MCMXCIII (1993). The date would coincide with the time frame mentioned earlier.

knifeswapper · Post by **knifeswapper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:58 am

I didn't mean to sound like I got my feelers hurt

I don't doubt that there have been second cut stag knives with a "6" inadvertantly stamped. Buuuttttt, I have never seen one; moreover I have never seen a second cut stag with any qualifier in front of the "5"; finally I don't think there were any second cut stags made in the early 1990's.

I do hope you find out what you need from Case. Be sure and ask for Shirley Boser as she is the historian and a dandy little gal to talk with.

Blade Runner · Post by **Blade Runner** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:42 pm

I think the original posters knife is bone. Now, on the older second cut stag. There were two color variations of second cut stag which was found primarily in the Case XX USA stamping. These can be marked with a 5 or 6. I have witnessed this personally, and it is documented in several publications by such authors as Jim Sargent, Joe Seale, Tony Foster, Jim Schleyer, Jim Parker, and Bruce Voyles. You can pick up Parker's price guide right now and look up Case XX USA trappers and see one listed 6254 second cut stag. Here is an interesting thread that took place right here on AAPK a couple of years back on this very subject.
Take Care
Gary

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... ight=#4115

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:48 pm

hey gary, that's what i thought on the early knives. hence my assumption on original posters sc knife. but why second cut bone?

Blade Runner · Post by **Blade Runner** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:57 pm

jonet143 wrote:hey gary, that's what i thought on the early knives. hence my assumption on original posters sc knife. but why second cut bone?

I'm thinking Case made some of these second cut bone in the 1990's. I don't think any second cut stags have been made since the 80's and those were all marked with a 5.
Gary

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:17 pm

For the life of me, I just can't see to advantage of cutting into deeper layers of BONE to obtain a different appearance, when bone is naturally beautiful on the surface! I can, on the other hand, see the rationale behind "bonestag", using bone and making it stag-like in looks and feel. I suppose, since Case has had a couple more months experience in knife-making than I, they might have a better plan! AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO PUT THIS BABY TO SLEEP. THANKS TO ALL WHO OFFERED THEIR VALUABLE INPUT!!! I'VE LEARNED A BUNCH!!!!

knifeswapper · Post by **knifeswapper** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:21 pm

Have you talked to Case yet?

hairstonjg · Post by **hairstonjg** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:53 pm

I called Case this AM. Shirley Boser is out until tomorrow. I plan to call back then. I'm leaving town tomorrow myself and won't be home until Sunday. I'll post an update upon my return.