Tidioute Cutlery

The KA-BAR brand originated as a trademark of the Tidioute Cutlery Company. Tidioute was later taken over & renamed the Union Cutlery Company which continued making the brand until Union eventually adopted it as the company name in 1952. Cutco Corporation later acquired the company in 1996.
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Good morning folks. Here's an interesting one for you.

The reading/research that I've done on the Tidioute Cutlery company was fairly easy...the Browns ran the newly formed Union Razor company and The Tidioute Cutlery company until 1906 when everything changed to Union Razor. When I bought this knife (3.5" closed) I soon found that after Union Razor was formed another company started up in 1909 called Tidoute with equipment purchased from an auction of the Booth Brother Cutlery Company. In 1912 Harry Baldwin purchased this new Tidoute company and called it Baldwin Cutlery. Apparently this knife (because it has the arched stamp) is from the time period of 1909-1912. This information was from one article so if anyone has anything else I'm open to discussion.
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Personally, I don't think Union razor had anything to do with the Tidioute Cutlery Co.
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Nice lookin knife ::tu::
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This Vintage Winchester of mine has Celluloid Handles that look Very Similar to your Knife. Were they made by the same manufacturer?
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Gunsil wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:23 pm Personally, I don't think Union razor had anything to do with the Tidioute Cutlery Co.
In David Anthony's book "Tidioute a Town With an Edge" he states that Levi Heath was one of the founders of Tidioute Cutlery. Based on directories at that time in 1903 WR Brown was the President of the newly formed Union Razor company and Levi Heath was a superintendent. He further states that the Browns ran both companies until 1906 when the Tidioute stamping on blades ceased entirely. Another person that served both companies was HH Cummings (part owner of Tidioute). So it appears that leadership/board members were with both companies.
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The Browns actually began Union Razor Co in Little Valley, NY in the late 1890s. Union Razor was already in existence before they opened in Tidioute. It is entirely possible that one person was involved in both companies, that doesn't necessarily mean that the companies were related. Mr Anthony is not an absolute expert either, he has done some great research but I think his book includes assumptions and suppositions along with cold fact, I do not necessarily agree with everything in his book. By the way, I acquired a letter from Harlow Platts to Addie Case Burrell where he refutes the KA-BAR name was derived from Case Bros and tells what he distinctly remembers his cousin Danforth Brown telling him how he arrived at the name. (It was not Killed a bar).
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Desert Golfer wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:17 pm This Vintage Winchester of mine has Celluloid Handles that look Very Similar to your Knife. Were they made by the same manufacturer?
It’s possible or not…hard to say. I’m not familiar with Winchester sorry. A lot of companies made these.
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The master blade on the OP knife appears cold stamped.
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chorizotaco wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:19 pm Good morning folks. Here's an interesting one for you.

The reading/research that I've done on the Tidioute Cutlery company was fairly easy...the Browns ran the newly formed Union Razor company and The Tidioute Cutlery company until 1906 when everything changed to Union Razor. When I bought this knife (3.5" closed) I soon found that after Union Razor was formed another company started up in 1909 called Tidoute with equipment purchased from an auction of the Booth Brother Cutlery Company. In 1912 Harry Baldwin purchased this new Tidoute company and called it Baldwin Cutlery. Apparently this knife (because it has the arched stamp) is from the time period of 1909-1912. This information was from one article so if anyone has anything else I'm open to discussion.

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I have this Tidioute Cutlery Co. jack. so the company was from around 1909-12?
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chorizotaco wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:19 pm Good morning folks. Here's an interesting one for you.

The reading/research that I've done on the Tidioute Cutlery company was fairly easy...the Browns ran the newly formed Union Razor company and The Tidioute Cutlery company until 1906 when everything changed to Union Razor. When I bought this knife (3.5" closed) I soon found that after Union Razor was formed another company started up in 1909 called Tidoute with equipment purchased from an auction of the Booth Brother Cutlery Company. In 1912 Harry Baldwin purchased this new Tidoute company and called it Baldwin Cutlery. Apparently this knife (because it has the arched stamp) is from the time period of 1909-1912. This information was from one article so if anyone has anything else I'm open to discussion.

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Can you tell me if you still have this knife and if so is the main blade half stop and secondary have no half stop, Because I am trying to figure out if mine is same or not?
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peanut740 wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:41 am The master blade on the OP knife appears cold stamped.
“Yep”. Harold
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stockman wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 11:38 pm
peanut740 wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:41 am The master blade on the OP knife appears cold stamped.
“Yep”. Harold
I agree. That’s an old post but I just saw it. First thought I had when I saw the OP knife was “cold stamp”.

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stockman wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 11:38 pm
peanut740 wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:41 am The master blade on the OP knife appears cold stamped.
“Yep”. Harold
Believe ti or not, I actually owned the OP knife many years ago. I used to collect Imperial and other brands of "metallic flake" handled knives. I had that orange jack frame (it was an IKCO) with worn blades. I gave it to a friend of mine, a (now deceased) knife mechanic to see what he could do with it, and he installed those blades. There were a LOT of Tidioute stamped blades floating around knife shows then (1980's). I have no idea as to where or how all those blades originated. But that HAS to be the same knife. I honestly do not recall when or how I got rid of it, but it was a LONG time ago.
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Re: Tidioute Cutlery

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I need to look at the date. Harold
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