Genus for Camel bone used for knife handles, for reference

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Ebay ended my listing last night on a GEC Sheffield Jack with camel bone handles. Apparently some camel bone is on the CITES list. So I contacted Culpeppers to get the genus and species of the camel bone that they use. I was informed that it is Bubalus bubalis. So if anyone else has a listing that gets ended for not having this information, here you go.
I get pretty fed up with eBays random enforcement of these rules. Just search GEC and camel bone and you won’t find another with that genus and species listed. I have been ended for simply having the word “bone” in the title.
I put this here so that it will appear in searches on Google for this information. I couldn’t find it anywhere online so now it is.

[bestgear]

Hi Mark - from Wikipedia: The water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis), also called the domestic water buffalo or Asian water buffalo, is a large bovid originating in the Indian subcontinent and Southeast Asia.

Does this mean that Culpepper’s camel bone is really water buffalo which would change your eBay posting?

[OLDE CUTLER]

Sounds kind of misleading, a camel and a water buffalo are not the same critter.

[herbva]

Mark, I feel your pain. I have had auctions deleted more than once by ebay idiots who had no idea what they were doing and trying to fight with them is about as useful as banging your head on a brick wall. For several years now I have stopped fighting with them and for bone or stag handled knives, I just put in the following statement: any “BONE” knife handles (scales) in my listings are from properly sourced bovine (cattle) remains and any “STAG” knife handles (scales) are from naturally shed deer antlers. For knives that might have any similarity to a switch, like non-automatic stilletos, I always put in: EBAY, THIS IS NOT A SWITCHBLADE!!! It shouldn't be this way, but, as the old saying goes, you can't fight city hall.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Hi Mark - from Wikipedia: The water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis), also called the domestic water buffalo or Asian water buffalo, is a large bovid originating in the Indian subcontinent and Southeast Asia.

Does this mean that Culpepper’s camel bone is really water buffalo which would change your eBay posting?

Good question Tom, I didn’t look it up and just took their word for it. I better check again tomorrow and make sure she got the correct information. Hope I didn’t put something out there that is incorrect. Hopefully I will be able to edit this posting in time if there is a problem.
I wonder if eBay will check on this and see if it fits. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with eBay.

Herb, I have questioned myself many times about why I am still listing on eBay at all. But something’s do sell better there than on here and quicker.
This isn’t the first time this has happened, just the first time on this particular handle material.

[GSPTOPDOG]

Sounds kind of misleading, a camel and a water buffalo are not the same critter.

I am not a biologist (I am also NOT a supreme court justice) so, I can't really say if a camel and a water buffalo are not the same critter... but I would suspect that it was possible that they are not.... unless ; a camel feels like it was born a water buffalo ... then I would say it WAS actually a water buffalo .... if it feels like it was....

I also have had auctions deleted more than once by ebay idiots who had no idea what they were doing and YES, trying to fight with them is about as useful as banging your head on a brick wall. For the past year now, I have stopped fighting with them and simply stopped selling on ebay ...

[bestgear]

I didn’t look it up and just took their word for it. I better check again tomorrow and make sure she got the correct information

Mark - A camel is in the genus Camelus according to Wikipedia - my guess is that Culpepper has a canned response whenever genus is questioned and Bubalus bubalis would clear any threatened or endangered questioning.

I also found this thread that our friend Roland Proctor started [url]https://www.allaboutpocketknives.c ... hp?t=56553[/url] that you might find helpful.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

I didn’t look it up and just took their word for it. I better check again tomorrow and make sure she got the correct information

Mark - A camel is in the genus Camelus according to Wikipedia - my guess is that Culpepper has a canned response whenever genus is questioned and Bubalus bubalis would clear any threatened or endangered questioning.

I also found this thread that our friend Roland Proctor started [url]https://www.allaboutpocketknives.c ... hp?t=56553[/url] that you might find helpful.

Tom, that link doesn’t bring anything up. Could you repost it please.

[bestgear]

Tom, that link doesn’t bring anything up. Could you repost it please.

give this a whirl Mark: viewtopic.php?p=639188&hilit=Giraffes+a ... s#p639188

[knifeaholic]

I have been having this issue recently just for ordinary "bone" handled knives. Just this morning, eBay ended about 12 of my listings, including auctions that had high bids.

This despite the fact that on all of my listings for the past two years I have done the following:

- I always, always, always, put the word "bovine" before the word "bone" every time I use the word "bone" in my listings.

- In each and every listing description, I put in a clear statement that "any knives listed with bone handles have handles made of South American Zebu
cattle bone".

I think that from now on, I will also add a photo of a Zebu steer, and add the Latin genus/species.

The fact is that at any given time, there are 30,000 to 40,000 listings in the "knives/swords/blades" category with bone handles - that is easily verified via search.

I know from my own experiences looking at listings and buying that 99% of these listings don't even bother to but "bovine" in the listing, let alone any other info on the bone type. VERY frustrating.

I believe that individual people are not screening the listings, but that eBay uses AI.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Steve, I think you are right about AI handling this issue for eBay. If they are cancelling this many listings, then it can’t be good for them in the long run. I wonder how long it will take before they get enough pushback to stop this? In the past they were always counting on algorithms to police things. Anytime you called to talk to a human you got a monkey that knew how to read whatever the computer put in front of him and no one that knows a dang thing about making a change to their system. Looks like that problem is going to be even worse. Makes me have second thoughts about my ownership of their stock.

[knifeaholic]

Steve, I think you are right about AI handling this issue for eBay. If they are cancelling this many listings, then it can’t be good for them in the long run. I wonder how long it will take before they get enough pushback to stop this? In the past they were always counting on algorithms to police things. Anytime you called to talk to a human you got a monkey that knew how to read whatever the computer put in front of him and no one that knows a dang thing about making a change to their system. Looks like that problem is going to be even worse. Makes me have second thoughts about my ownership of their stock.

The primary thing to remember is - eBay absolutely HATES all sellers on its platform, and would prefer that we all drop dead. If anyone does not beieve this, peruse the "Selling" sub-forum on the eBay community forums. So many complaints about eBay unfairly attacking sellers.

[knifeaholic]

Hers is one of my 12 listings that eBay ended today - I just relisted it with some important "modifications".

One might say that I "Beefed Up" the description and the photos.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115985268073

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Nice Steve. It just seems so random the way Ebay enforces this “non” issue. Just creates more work for those of us who try to use their platform. I see everyday ivory and mammoth ivory listed in titles and nothing happens to those listings. I’ve even bought some on eBay with mammoth ivory and there were no issues, but the one time I tried to list a knife with fossilized mammoth, it got kicked off in no time. Again, it just seems so random. I do have to wonder if they enforce this randomly to prove to some regulator that they are policing this issue. They can then show a report that shows how many listings they ended to stay in compliance but not really proving anything in actuality. I have a feeling that is probably the reason they do this randomly. Could be wrong, but I’ve seen a lot of monkey business when it comes to pleasing regulators. I use to work in the most highly regulated industry in America, so I am familiar with these games.

[Reverand]

I wonder that they are not focusing on sellers who have had listings deleted in the past.
The algorithm may delete your post the first time, so it begins checking your listings more closely in the future.
I have no evidence that this is happening, it is just conjecture.