tang stamp help

[pearlgearl]

I am trying to research this knife but the tang stamp is partial. I took several pics at different resolution and lighting. PLease let me know if you recognize this one.

[pearlgearl]

and while your at it maybe I can get help on this one too.

[knifeaholic]

Top knife is a PINE KNOT - JW PRICE. Stamp used on some knives made for Belknap Hardware, pre-WWII era.

Second one I have no idea.

[msteele6]

It's actually pretty rare to see the Pine Knot, you see so many fakes of that stamp.

[pearlgearl]

I have been dating and pricing a lot of knives as many of you well know, and when I find one that stumps me a Iset it aside and I guess I have found that pile. Here is another that is stumping me. I have seen many Case tang stamp charts and this one is not on them, I have heard tale of arched tang stamps but have not seen them.

[Smalleyds]

Used by Case in 1905.