Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

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Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

Post by Teryjaki » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:44 pm

Another one of last weekend’s buys. Joseph Rogers & Sons. I thought it’s perhaps it’s an equestrian knife but what do you think the hole in the scales are for? It isn’t threaded. Doesn’t seem to cut or hold anything. There’s a couple of bizarre gadgets on this that need unraveling. The top latch / lever thing is under spring tension but doesn’t seem to do anything.
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Re: Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

Post by Ridgegrass » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:14 pm

Not sure what goes there but the can opener is missing the stud that fits in the scale slot.
is that a lock-back mechanism at the base of the main blade? Cool, 16/12 ga. shell extractors. It's a different combination of blades than a normal horse knife. Button hook, manicure ??? Neat one! J.O'.

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Post by treefarmer » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:16 pm

Teryjaki,
That's an interesting old knife! There are several things I don't understand about it, too! ::shrug::
What is the device on the shackle end that looks like a doubled bitted ax ?
The holes in the handle, one side being square, would hold the head of a small carriage bolt but for what reason. And then there is the hole in the small spear point blade?
One would think the top latch/lever would be to lock one or more of the blades, either open or closed.
Can you provide another picture looking directly at the back knife, the side the hoof pick, gouge and corkscrew are sprouting from?
Hopefully some one will come along and know all about your find.
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I see Ridgegrass has cleared up the ax lookin' device, a shell puller. ::tu::

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Post by Gunsil » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:17 pm

That is a cool old horseman's knife. I have seen others and I believe there was another screw in the hole. Your knife has a can opener (missing a pin), a button hook, small gouge, hoof pick, and the swivel thing is a shot shell puller, usually for 12 and 16 guage shells.

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Post by MT-Vessel » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:17 pm

I know it as a Prest-O-lite key. Used for opening early gas valves. ::shrug::
Empty vessels make the most noise...

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Post by MT-Vessel » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:21 pm

Empty vessels make the most noise...

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Post by ea42 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:38 pm

That's not a presto-lite key. Those bolts ( the one present and the missing one) were spare harness bolts. The inside of the nut was square to lock it in place in that square hole. That model was known as a sportsman knife or campaign knife as it was used quite extensively by the military as well. A number of different companies made them such as George Butler Co, Singleton and Priestman, and W. Morton and Sons, all of Sheffield. The knives were virtually identical.

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Post by MT-Vessel » Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:03 pm

They say you learn something new everyday… I can stop thinking now ::tu::
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Post by FRJ » Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:46 pm

MT-Vessel wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:03 pm
They say you learn something new everyday… I can stop thinking now ::tu::
:lol: :lol: --- Yeah, me too. ::super_happy::

Eric kills it as usual. ::tu::
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Post by Teryjaki » Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pm

The extra bolts thing is fascinating and I never would have known. It was clear to see the bolt(s) weren’t holding the knife together. After fiddling with it for awhile I see that the press-down device does lock the main blade in place, but for only as long as you’re holding the pusher thing down. It’s a bit over engineered.
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Post by Teryjaki » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:10 am

So I measured the square hole it’s 3/16”. Which is also the size of a Prestolite valve. I think everyone’s input is spot-on!

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Post by 1967redrider » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:39 am

Very cool tools on that knife. Do you think the spear doubles as a screwdriver or was it tipped?
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Post by Froe » Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:07 am

What would the benefit of the gouge be? Does it have an equestrian use?
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Post by Mumbleypeg » Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:15 am

Froe wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:07 am
What would the benefit of the gouge be? Does it have an equestrian use?
Thanks in advance,
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Cutting (gouging) holes in harness leather.

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Post by Ridgegrass » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:14 pm

"Over-engineered" = British. (From a former TR-6, TR-4, Austin-Healey, Bonneville, and Matchless owner.) :D J.O'.

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Post by beresman » Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:24 pm

And here I was gonna suggest that the square hole was a roller skate key...
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Post by 1967redrider » Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:26 pm

1967redrider wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:39 am
Very cool tools on that knife. Do you think the spear doubles as a screwdriver or was it tipped?

Answered my own question by taking a better look at the pictures. ::facepalm::
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Post by Froe » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:05 am

Thanks Ken
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Re: Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

Post by Miller Bro's » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:21 am

The two bolts, one missing, are called Trace Bolts, for mending traces.

The lock on the master blade is broken, when the blade would be opened the lock should snap in place to lock it in the open position, to close you would lift up on the lock and close the knife blade.

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Re: Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

Post by wlf » Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:28 am

Miller Bro's wrote:
Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:21 am
The two bolts, one missing, are called Trace Bolts, for mending traces.

The lock on the master blade is broken, when the blade would be opened the lock should snap in place to lock it in the open position, to close you would lift up on the lock and close the knife blade.

Nice knife ::tu::
It's been a long time since I heard someone use the term trace lines.

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Re: Joseph Rogers Knife. What goes in the hole?

Post by Oledadsknives » Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:27 pm

Ridgegrass wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:14 pm
"Over-engineered" = British. (From a former TR-6, TR-4, Austin-Healey, Bonneville, and Matchless owner.) :D J.O'.
You got that right ridgegrass!

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