Remington Experts, please look

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:16 am

This florist knife is stamp H A Dreer Phila. Pa on both blades. The main sheepsfoot has half stops the the spay does not. It looks just like a R4497 remington to me. lt is 3 3/4" long closed and is imatation ivory handles. What do you experts think? It books $200 mint in Remington on page 459 of Sargent's but we all know what that means. This is not mint, but in excellent unsharpened I think. I paid $10 on ebay. No one bid on it and the seller was kind enough to relist with a buy it now.

let me know

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:38 am

I can't tell from the pic, and I'm weak on Remingtons, but for $10, it's a steal no matter what it says!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:50 am

have you seen the goin's info or levine's?

edgy46 · Post by **edgy46** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:15 am

When Remington went into the knife business they didn't make anything not marked Remington. Per Blade's Guide to knives and thier values.I do not know whether they ever did do contract work,but they were in financial trouble in the early thirtys.Hope this helps.

edgy46 · Post by **edgy46** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:24 am

Goings lists Dreer H.A. 1900-1910 LG4 does not list it.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:31 am

follow the trail from goins, h.a. dreer trademark used by h. hessenbruch, plil. pa. - usa/ger. hardware retailer c1906-1926 - levines

h.a. dreer does not appear to be a manufacturer? maybe they had contract knives made in usa and germany. it sure looks like a remington.
who did remington aquire their tooling from?

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:50 am

H A Dreer was rose dealer. Actually had many patents on roses. THey also did hardware and related items for the flower industry. I found this last year doing research. Thus the florist knife, BUT, I don't know about the remington connection, but it sure looks JUST like one.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:56 am

david, as you and others have said many times, read the knife not the tang marks! maybe we will find the manufacturer with more research. ain't this fun!

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:10 am

I've seen schrades of a very similar pattern with the ivoryoid too.

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:12 pm

Your comment about Hessenbruch reminds me of something. Of course Hessenbruch is a Penn related company so I research them as well. Just a lesson for others, if a knife would have this stamp, it means that Hessenbruch had something to do with it, Manf, marketing, jobbing etc., but it doesn't mean that all of that companies knives were manf, jobbed etc by that company. I am working on an article for knife world that will explain that comment in more depth I hope.

Just wanted to muddy the waters a little.

"if it was easy, anyone could do it"

Cope · Post by **Cope** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:55 pm

You guys certainly know more than me but I seen a Schrade that could be this one's twin brother ( or sister, depending on the gender). Just mimicking MM said basically. Maybe another thought to maker.

Brad

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:06 pm

COPE, you very well be right on with your thoughts about Schrade. The blades on this knife don't match a remington in my opinion. I would think that REMINGTON COLLECTOR could enlighten me on proper blade material for them. This one might even be a version of stainless, I think that would eliminate it as a Remington? Thoughts?????

Cope · Post by **Cope** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:15 pm

Found it! I thought I had seen it on the bay. Check this one out PA and see what you think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=008

Brad

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:30 pm

COPE

I would say that you have solved that mystery for me. It appears that it is a Schrade and NOT a Remington. Thanks to everyone. I throughly enjoyed the search and appreciate everyone's help. This is why this site is so great.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:46 pm

schrade walden # 716. this pattern was widely made by various companys and contracted by many others.

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:01 pm

JONET,

So you are saying that it may or may not be a Schrade? Are others that you speak of "exactly" like this or just the sytle of the pattern? aka: florist knife with variations.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:42 pm

actually, i meant perhaps remington contracted their version from schrade. there are some subtle differences, pin placement, etc. among a lot of contract knives. the schrade in this pattern in sargent's 2nd edition looks like your knife except the handle pins are located slightly different. or look at a case 03245. they all look alike.