Real or Fake???

Keen Kutter was first used as a knife brand by Simmons Hardware Company in 1870. The trademark was used on the highest quality tools and cutlery Simmons offered.
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Real or Fake???

Post by STLChris » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:47 pm

Hello all! I recently picked up this Keen Kutter Large Coke Bottle. Initially, I was beyond thrilled to add it to my collection as it is from one of my favorite companies and one of my favorite patterns....not to mention it is a stellar specimen! Or is it? I'm holding out hope that it is real, but feel that it could potentially be a fake. My primary concerns are that 1) I can't find another one of these on the internet anywhere 2) I've never seen Keen Kutter with the particular bone and jigging before. Please help me out with some thoughtful responses!!
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Re: Real or Fake???

Post by btrwtr » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:15 am

Sorry but doesn't look good to me. Nothing about it that looks to be an old Keen Kutter knife.
Any Keen Kutter coke bottle I have seen was straight sided at the head end. This swell end was used by Case, Western, Queen and Kaber. I'm sure there were others as well. The pattern number and bone don't look to be Keen Kutter. Maybe others might have some ideas about it.
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Post by kootenay joe » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am

Were there some knives branded "Keen Kutter" brought out in early 1990's by Mr. Parker ?
Or is my memory 'crossing wires' again ?
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Post by OLDE CUTLER » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:02 pm

The tang stamp is also different. On all my old Keen Kutters with E. C. Simmons St Louis , the tops of the Ts in KUTTER align. The tang stamp in the OP does not. St. Louis is spelled out instead of abbreviated STL.
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Post by 1967redrider » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:25 pm

It reminds me of a Case Classic. ::nod::
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Post by danno50 » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:59 pm

The knife is a bad fake. However, I believe the tang stamp is OK (not on that knife though). Below are pictures of a knife I have with the same stamp. I also have other Camillus made Keen Kutters where the tops of the T's do not line up.
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Here is the knife the stamps are on.
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I believe that whoever faked this knife may have had an actual old Keen Kutter stamp. If someone was going to go to the trouble of cutting a fake KK stamp, why would they not fake one of the more common ones. I also wonder why someone who had access to a KK stamp would put it on such an obvious fake?
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Post by kootenay joe » Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:17 am

Instead of it being a 'regular' fake, could it be a Parker K.K. 'reproduction' knife ? He used old defunct USA markings numerous times.
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Post by Mumbleypeg » Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:46 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:17 am
Instead of it being a 'regular' fake, could it be a Parker K.K. 'reproduction' knife ? He used old defunct USA markings numerous times.
kj
I don’t know the answer to your question whether Parker made the OP knife, but regardless it’s still a fake like all the unauthorized others he did like that. Many of them were made in Germany, with the country of origin inked (not stamped) on the blade. Tell me that wasn’t done with the intention of it being easily removed. ::facepalm:: (which in many cases, it was.)

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Post by kootenay joe » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:33 pm

Ken i agree with you.
What i was trying to differentiate is a fake made by a knife mechanic in his workshop, vs. a production fake. Of course Mr. Parker was hoping to fool the novice collector into thinking the knife is an original.
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