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Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Paladin » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:13 pm

Guys,
I got this knife in a collection I acquired a while back and I can't decide about the country of origin. The tang stamp does not show up in our charts but there is a very similar one. BOKER in block letters with the Tree Logo. I had convinced myself it is a USA Boker but the smallish round logo shield say Olbertz to me. I don't think it was made by Paki but I could be wrong on that.
What do you think? And thanks for any input.

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by philco » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:30 pm

Ray I can't quite make out what is written on the shield. Does it say "Germany" or does it say "Solingen" ?
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Paladin » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:39 pm

philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:30 pm
Ray I can't quite make out what is written on the shield. Does it say "Germany" or does it say "Solingen" ?
Phil,
It says Germany.

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Steve Warden » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:53 pm

Similar here at SMKW, says made in Germany
https://www.smkw.com/boker-traditional-folding-hunter
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by philco » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm

My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by knifeaholic » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm

philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm
My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
I agree..."Final assembly in Germany" likely means..."wrap the knife and put it in its box".

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by tongueriver » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:04 pm

knifeaholic wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm
philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm
My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
I agree..."Final assembly in Germany" likely means..."wrap the knife and put it in its box".
:( Those American and German workers used to support families and pay taxes. I still have to buy Chinese toasters but I don't have to buy the knives.

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Paladin » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:35 pm

tongueriver wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:04 pm
knifeaholic wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm
philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm
My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
I agree..."Final assembly in Germany" likely means..."wrap the knife and put it in its box".
:( Those American and German workers used to support families and pay taxes. I still have to buy Chinese toasters but I don't have to buy the knives.
I sure agree and I avoid them as much as possible. Sometimes I end up with one or two out of a collection.
I surely appreciate the input on this. Isn't it a shame that we have to do this on a fine old brand like Boker.

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Ivoryman » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:35 pm

knifeaholic wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm
philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm
My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
I agree..."Final assembly in Germany" likely means..."wrap the knife and put it in its box".

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by beresman » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:20 pm

Ivoryman wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:35 pm
knifeaholic wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm
philco wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:58 pm
My understanding is that the current production Boker knives with "Germany" on the shield do not meet the criteria to bare the Solingen name. In order to have "Solingen" on them they must be made entirely in Solingen, Germany. A few years back I questioned a Boker rep about this while attending the Blade Show. He claimed that Boker was having parts made in China then shipped to Germany where they were assembled. I didn't buy his story then and I don't buy it now. I suspect there's just enough final assembly being done in Germany to allow Boker to still put "Germany" on the shield, but I think most of the work is done in China. The advantage gained by moving production to China is a significant savings in labor costs. It just doesn't make sense that they would have the automated part of the production done in China then have the labor intensive part of the production still done in Germany as that Boker rep claimed. Still a good knife, but not what it appears to be on the surface. Smoke and mirrors.
I agree..."Final assembly in Germany" likely means..."wrap the knife and put it in its box".

Hilarious Knifeaholic, you're killing me. True comedy. ::rotflol:: ::clapping:: ::rotflol:: :lol: :lol: ::ds::
You can laugh, but it's absolutely true. I used to work for a toy company, and product would be made in Hong Kong (this was before we had any kind of diplomatic or economic relations with PRC), and we would have things made there, add a little to it here in the US and package it, and if the total percentage of our cost was over a certain percentage, we could label it as "Made in USA". It was (and is) shameful.

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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by treefarmer » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:47 pm

Well on a brighter note, fellers, Ray has posted some of the clearest pictures I have seen on AAPK in a while!! ::tu::
Good job, Paladin. You need to add to your business shingle, "Have Camera - Will Travel"! ::poke::
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by tongueriver » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:03 pm

treefarmer wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:47 pm
Well on a brighter note, fellers, Ray has posted some of the clearest pictures I have seen on AAPK in a while!! ::tu::
Good job, Paladin. You need to add to your business shingle, "Have Camera - Will Travel"! ::poke::
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by Paladin » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:14 pm

treefarmer wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:47 pm
Well on a brighter note, fellers, Ray has posted some of the clearest pictures I have seen on AAPK in a while!! ::tu::
Good job, Paladin. You need to add to your business shingle, "Have Camera - Will Travel"! ::poke::
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Thanks TF and TR... I seem to always have that one reflection in my pics. I would love to get it out of there but without changing rooms, I just can't seem to get it out.
I do appreciate your kind words though.

Ray
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Re: Your Thoughts On This Boker

Post by cody6268 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:38 pm

Germany seems to have really lax marking/country of origin laws; meaning minor finishing could allow a company to be able to state "MADE IN GERMANY". SMKW (and everyone else selling these) seems to be beating around the bush with the fact the "TS" or "Traditional Series" knives basically Chinese knives FINISHED, not made in Germany.

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Post by tongueriver » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:57 pm

I trust both my brothers, my Wife, and two good friends. I'm not too worried about the folk on this forum. That's about it for trust.

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