A strange no line tang stamp

[doglegg]

The knife that seems to be most available in the no line tang stamp is the model 99. This one does not have a model number and this configuration does not show up in the 1946-47 catalogue. But it does show in the addition to the catalogue showing Army and Navy knives and some meant to be sold in the Post exchange. This is the same blade arrangement of the Army Engineers and Marine Corp knife and has the no line tang stamp. I thought it a bit unusual but maybe there are a lot of them. It was at least made 1946 or after. Thanks for looking and additional information welcomed.
I included two pics of the tang stamp.

[carrmillus]

........thought I had this one's twin brother, but mine is 3 line stamped and has u.s.a. on the shield!!.....my memory is gone, guys!!!!.................. .............

[doglegg]

........thought I had this one's twin brother, but mine is 3 line stamped and has u.s.a. on the shield!!.....my memory is gone, guys!!!!.................. .............

Tommy, those are the WW2 issued knives I'm pretty sure. I've got one around here somewhere. I really love the military knives from that era.

[Ripster]

That’s my kind of knife there, thanks for sharing. Somewhere had read that the PX ones were marked differently, but all I know.And as Carmillus has said,have seen that shield with USA on it. There’s a good topic to research,that’s what’s neat about the older stuff ,is sorting it out and learning, sharing and having some fun.
If anyone finds out more ,let us know
Thanks again Doglegg ,stay out of trouble down there

[carrmillus]

........thought I had this one's twin brother, but mine is 3 line stamped and has u.s.a. on the shield!!.....my memory is gone, guys!!!!.................. .............

Tommy, those are the WW2 issued knives I'm pretty sure. I've got one around here somewhere. I really love the military knives from that era.

........goin's says 1915-1918 for that stamp, so it's a WW1 knife, right???.............. ...................

[doglegg]

........thought I had this one's twin brother, but mine is 3 line stamped and has u.s.a. on the shield!!.....my memory is gone, guys!!!!.................. .............

Tommy, those are the WW2 issued knives I'm pretty sure. I've got one around here somewhere. I really love the military knives from that era.

........goin's says 1915-1918 for that stamp, so it's a WW1 knife, right???.............. ...................

Tommy, I think that this knife has the tang stamp that was used a while after WW2. It isn't listed in our reference section here but Vit and Jerry told me it was used 1946 maybe even to 1955 on a few knives. Most examples I have found of it seemed to be used only in 1946 and then switched to the short line stamp. This is defiantly a Post WW2 knife. That one Goines is talking about is a little different as 'Cultery' is included in the stamp. I don't think this model knife was around in WW1 but I've been wrong about a lot of things. The more I see this no line tang stamp the more I am intrigued by it.

[herbva]

Great knife. I love these Camillus military issue knives. I read somewhere here on AAPK that the "older style" can opener, which his one has, was discontinued before 1944, for the newer style "safety can opener".

[New_Windsor_NY]

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Nice one Floyd.

[Colonel26]

That’s a beautiful knife!

And I’m in the same boat as Herb. I was under the impression that by the end of the war it was all the newer style can opener. But as I’ve learned, with Camillus you cannot say “never or always”. Seems like with Camillus there are more exceptions that rules. The only maker worse would be Western.

[doglegg]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

[doglegg]

That’s my kind of knife there, thanks for sharing. Somewhere had read that the PX ones were marked differently, but all I know.And as Carmillus has said,have seen that shield with USA on it. There’s a good topic to research,that’s what’s neat about the older stuff ,is sorting it out and learning, sharing and having some fun.
If anyone finds out more ,let us know
Thanks again Doglegg ,stay out of trouble down there

JP, I missed you. Yes Sir the USA marked shields are the standard. This one is without the USA.

[Colonel26]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

Rabbit hole? I love rabbit hunting!!!

In the 80’s Camco bought Western. Then Camco was purchased by Camillus. So yes late “Westerns” were made by Camillus like “Robeson” made by Queen.

However, if I’m not mistaken one of the Western Barlows was a Camillus I think.

[doglegg]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

Rabbit hole? I love rabbit hunting!!!

In the 80’s Camco bought Western. Then Camco was purchased by Camillus. So yes late “Westerns” were made by Camillus like “Robeson” made by Queen.

However, if I’m not mistaken one of the Western Barlows was a Camillus I think.

[herbva]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

Skip, I'm not saying it is definitely the case here, but I have seen many examples of knives made by reputable knife companies using up stocks of previously stamped blades, sometimes blades from several or even many years prior. And I suspect that many of us are familiar with this phenomenon. One of my many favorite knives in my collection is an early Winchester cattle knife that has a Napanoch punch with 1908 stamped on the tang.

[kootenay joe]

Knife manufacturers were known for never throwing out knife parts but instead using them to make completed knives. This is why there are a variety of 'odd' knives.
Likely this knife was made soon after WW II and used some of the older parts like the can opener blade. Or, is there more to it that i am not understanding ?
kj

[doglegg]

Herb, Roland that is the easiest answer to me. The can opener seems to be the mystery point on this knife. I bought it for the no line tang stamp but the can opener has occupied me since I got it. Until someone comes up with a better explanation I think I will content myself with that answer. Thanks.

[New_Windsor_NY]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

Skip, I'm not saying it is definitely the case here, but I have seen many examples of knives made by reputable knife companies using up stocks of previously stamped blades, sometimes blades from several or even many years prior. And I suspect that many of us are familiar with this phenomenon. One of my many favorite knives in my collection is an early Winchester cattle knife that has a Napanoch punch with 1908 stamped on the tang.

I didn't say anything except "Nice one Floyd."

[Vit_213]

Knife manufacturers were known for never throwing out knife parts but instead using them to make completed knives. This is why there are a variety of 'odd' knives.
Likely this knife was made soon after WW II and used some of the older parts like the can opener blade. Or, is there more to it that i am not understanding ?
kj

I am of the same opinion. Camillus never threw anything away.

[kootenay joe]

I just realized i have the same knife as OP except no shield. It is marked "Camillus/New York/USA" No underline and no pattern number on back side tang.
I will post pictures when outside conditions permit.
kj

Pictures !

[herbva]

Yes Herb I think you are right. Hence the 'strange" in the heading. A can opener discontinued in 1944 and a tang stamp not used until 1946. It doesn't look like the knife has been apart. Could Camillus be using up old parts after the war?

Wade, you slipped in while I was huntin and pecken. It has me a little baffled at the moment. And didn't Camillus make some Westerns? But that is another rabbit trail.

Thanks Skip.

Skip, I'm not saying it is definitely the case here, but I have seen many examples of knives made by reputable knife companies using up stocks of previously stamped blades, sometimes blades from several or even many years prior. And I suspect that many of us are familiar with this phenomenon. One of my many favorite knives in my collection is an early Winchester cattle knife that has a Napanoch punch with 1908 stamped on the tang.

I didn't say anything except "Nice one Floyd."

Oops, sorry Skip. I had to blame someone. Actually, I got my participants mixed up.

[doglegg]

I just realized i have the same knife as OP except no shield. It is marked "Camillus/New York/USA" No underline and no pattern number on back side tang.
I will post pictures when outside conditions permit.
kj

Pictures !

Obviously of the same origin. I bet knives made to use up old stock. The 99 pattern is the most often seen with the no line stamp. Although there is no pattern# it is close to the 99 pattern. Thanks Roland for sharing yours with us.

[Ripster]

I just realized i have the same knife as OP except no shield. It is marked "Camillus/New York/USA" No underline and no pattern number on back side tang.
I will post pictures when outside conditions permit.
kj

Pictures !

Very nice Roland ,you have one with beautiful bones and blades, looks hardly used. So with that can opener it is pre 1944. The Tang stamp, would put a date of? Was this a PX / civilian issue?
Think my brain is getting mushy, spent half the night and part of morning reading and research. And have to agree with what Tom Williams, or Dale has said,can’t absolutely hang your hat on Cams stamp.
Thanks to Doglegg. ,for starting this post and to all who’ve shared. And now I’d better get out of this rabbit hole and get something done.
Have a good day guys and stay safe

[Colonel26]

Herb, Roland that is the easiest answer to me. The can opener seems to be the mystery point on this knife. I bought it for the no line tang stamp but the can opener has occupied me since I got it. Until someone comes up with a better explanation I think I will content myself with that answer. Thanks.

I agree. That’s why I said with CAmillus (and others like Western) it’s impossible to say “never and always”. I don’t blame them, it makes good sense. My grandfather was the same on the farm!

[doglegg]

Agree Wade. Wasn't a throw away society then.