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Imperial Fish Knife

Postby just bob » Sun May 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Anyone know what the little symbol or emblem is on the back of an Imperial fish knife? Only a few knives have these from what I see. Most of these knives do not?
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby kootenay joe » Sun May 12, 2019 7:13 pm

No and it is the first one i have seen.
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby knife7knut » Sun May 12, 2019 8:35 pm

I have one with that on it and I have always been curious as to it's meaning. It looks like a backwards comma.
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby orvet » Mon May 13, 2019 7:30 am

I have seen it several times, no doubt I have one or two that have that marking on them.
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby terryl308 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:31 pm

Dale, don't think I've ever seen one like that, interesting, I have a couple one being made in Ireland but don't think it is any different. ::shrug:: Terry
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby Robo » Tue May 14, 2019 2:20 am

just bob wrote:Anyone know what the little symbol or emblem is on the back of an Imperial fish knife?


Dale, I made a mad dash to my little pile of Imperial Fish knives to see if I had the mark on one of mine. No such luck! But I just tore through Pic-clic and found one in a lot of fish knives somebody's auctioning and another on one being auctioned separately. Being a toothpick/tickler pattern nut makes your inquiry all the more interesting to me. Just staring at the little symbol (?) pile-side shield (?) tool (?) hasn't produced any answers. It does look an aweful lot like the litte bubble that comes out of a cartoon character's mouth with the words they are speaking inside of it. I'm guessing that's not what it is... But I shall not rest until I find some kinda answer! Thanks for sharing this!

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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby Robo » Tue May 14, 2019 4:41 am

just bob wrote:Anyone know what the little symbol or emblem is on the back of an Imperial fish knife? Only a few knives have these from what I see. Most of these knives do not?


Okay, I have a hunch I know what it is: I went through a whole page of Imperial Fish Knives on Pic Clic. I found the symbol on a fairly low percentage of both the 4 1/4 med knife and the 5 inch version. They were only on back of the one's with the fish symbol on front. But I also found something else they had in common: a number of them had "National Chemsearch Co." etched on the mark side of the clip blade. And the ones that had that etch still remaining also had the symbol on the mark side. My conclusion: The Pile side symbol is a symbol of what is known as a Retort distilling Flask (see pic). This was or is probably Chemsearch's trade mark. and it went on back because the fish would of kicked it's flask a$$ if it tried to take the front seat. Of course most of the ones with the flask symbol are too beat up to locate the Chemsearch etch, so I can't prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. But That's my theory and I'll stand by it til somebody knocks this house of cards down. (You have to enlarge the photos to see the Chemsearch etch)

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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby Doc B » Tue May 14, 2019 9:34 am

I think you're on to something, Robo ::tu::
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby just bob » Tue May 14, 2019 11:01 am

Robo wrote:
just bob wrote:Anyone know what the little symbol or emblem is on the back of an Imperial fish knife? Only a few knives have these from what I see. Most of these knives do not?


Okay, I have a hunch I know what it is: I went through a whole page of Imperial Fish Knives on Pic Clic. I found the symbol on a fairly low percentage of both the 4 1/4 med knife and the 5 inch version. They were only on back of the one's with the fish symbol on front. But I also found something else they had in common: a number of them had "National Chemsearch Co." etched on the mark side of the clip blade. And the ones that had that etch still remaining also had the symbol on the mark side. My conclusion: The Pile side symbol is a symbol of what is known as a Retort distilling Flask (see pic). This was or is probably Chemsearch's trade mark. and it went on back because the fish would of kicked it's flask a$$ if it tried to take the front seat. Of course most of the ones with the flask symbol are too beat up to locate the Chemsearch etch, so I can't prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. But That's my theory and I'll stand by it til somebody knocks this house of cards down. (You have to enlarge the photos to see the Chemsearch etch)

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Thank you for taking the time to do the research and post that. I would never have guessed that. It does make sense after reading your information. Here was the original knife I asked about and it does have Chemsearch on it. Looks like that company is still in business today.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... ber_id=348
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby orvet » Tue May 14, 2019 11:47 am

Awesome job Robo! Outstanding research!!
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby knife7knut » Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm

Another mystery solved! Thank you so much for taking the time to research it! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby doglegg » Tue May 14, 2019 1:30 pm

Amazing to find an answer! :shock: :shock: ::tu::

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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby danno50 » Tue May 14, 2019 2:43 pm

Very interesting, great research, Robo! I have had one of those for years and wondered about that little mark. I just checked mine, it is used and there is no trace of an etch.
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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby Robo » Tue May 14, 2019 7:50 pm

Man, I wish I checked in sooner, would have been a better morning-- Thanks fellas! My pleasure, and I couldn't have done it without Pic-Clic and Worthpoint, a collectors best friend. There is/was a disinfectant company in Michigan, I believe, that contracted Western States for advertising. I've seen at least three of their Toothpicks with the company name on the mark side, one was a parts knife sold as a Winchester, I need to put up on the counterfeit forum. Dixie Metal Works also comes to mind. I owned an all metal Cattaraugus toothpick with the Dixi Metal Works logo and just saw one sold on the Bay. So it may seem odd to think that so many were made that you actually have repeat survivors show up at auction but I guess it happens. ---Robo

PS: Doc, I couldn't get past a thousand phony advertisers pretendending to be Corporate research sites when I tried to find ChemSearch's Trade Mark--good work! Please share how you managed to do it.

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Re: Imperial Fish Knife

Postby Doc B » Tue May 14, 2019 8:55 pm

Robo wrote:
PS: Doc, I couldn't get past a thousand phony advertisers pretendending to be Corporate research sites when I tried to find ChemSearch's Trade Mark--good work! Please share how you managed to do it.

I just searched Chemsearch, in Google; then, clicked on images...and started looking for something that looked like your flask. Didn't take long. Altough I don't own a knife, like that...It's one of those things...that once the question is asked...you just gotta know! Thanks to your breakthrough...I think it's been solved. ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
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