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What is the origin

Postby tongueriver » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 pm

of the term "half-whittler"? I was all set to go on a rant here, but decided to be nice.

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Re: What is the origin

Postby knife7knut » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:34 pm

Good question! I am not really familiar with the term. Even the term whittler is controversial. Many people consider a,"true" whittler as one with a clip master blade and secondary pen and coping blades.Others say that it can have two pen blades as secondaries.Some will say that a manicure secondary blade is acceptable while most say that is not a true whittler.
I'm assuming(a bad thing to do)that a half whittler refers to one with only a single secondary blade.To me that is a pen knife but let's not even think about getting into what defines a,"pen" knife. :mrgreen:
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Re: What is the origin

Postby Mumbleypeg » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:12 am

I think it's a term that collectors invented - don't recall seeing it in older catalogs. But you will see it in newer catalogs.

Personally I've never cared for it. But there are a lot of "modern" things I don't care for. :mrgreen: My niece says I'm just a grumpy old man. ::sotb:: (But at least she was laughing when she said it!)

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Re: What is the origin

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:08 am

Mumbleypeg wrote: My niece says I'm just a grumpy old man. ::sotb:: (But at least she was laughing when she said it!)

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Re: What is the origin

Postby richard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:48 am

in my opinion. a true whittler. has a double back spring main blade. a pen blade . and a nail file blade. MOTHER OF PEARL HANDLES.
AND ITS ORIGIN. was to whittle finger nails. not wood . and was first called a gentlemans knife.
please give your opinions on this subject.
as i have started to collect this type of knife. and am interested in its origin.

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Re: What is the origin

Postby richard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:22 am

here are some of my collection. i only have one with wood handles. maybe replaced?
on one the file blade has be ground to a pen blade.
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Re: What is the origin

Postby richard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:40 am

i ground the blades on this old john primble congress. that i use to whittle wood . :)
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Re: What is the origin

Postby tongueriver » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:56 pm

Mumbleypeg wrote:I think it's a term that collectors invented - don't recall seeing it in older catalogs. But you will see it in newer catalogs.

So far this is the only comment that addresses the question. So, what famed collector started this obscenity? I would like to add him to my Rogue's Gallery in a special folder on my computer. The half whittler, when linked to any of the quasi-acceptable definitions of whittler, is obviously a physical impossibility. They are pen knives; period. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. C'mon, now; what's his name? I won't tell.

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Re: What is the origin

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:58 pm

Half Whittler is a term invented by the marketing division of Case knives.
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Re: What is the origin

Postby Mumbleypeg » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:53 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Half Whittler is a term invented by the marketing division of Case knives.
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Do you have any evidence of this? I'm curious because I've heard the terms "whittler" and "half whittler" since my early days in knife collecting, but I don't recall ever seeing either term in any cutlery catalogs until the past 20 years or less. ::shrug:: The older Case catalogs referred to the 6208 as a "pen" well beyond the time when the "half-whittler" description was in popular use.

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Re: What is the origin

Postby bighomer » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:16 pm

In Queens historical cataloge, which I can no longer find on line, they were called carpenters knives. No mention of a half carpenter although I've known a few half a$$ carpenters. I really don't care for the term half congress either, although most congressmen and women are in that criteria mention above. ::facepalm:: ::super_happy::

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Re: What is the origin

Postby Mumbleypeg » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:26 pm

Roland may be right. From Levine's Guide in the section on Swell-Center Serpentine Pen Knives
Like most other pen knife shapes , this one was often used for whittlers. Case's most popular whittler is the 6308 made in this shape, so the firm calls it's ordinary two-bladed, swell-center serpentine with a clip master blade a "half-whittler." Collectors sometimes use the term half-whittler for other pen knives with clip master blades.


No further explanation is given, but the inference is that the half-whittler term originated by Case in reference to the Case 6208.

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Re: What is the origin

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:52 pm

Ken, also in the BRL forum at BF Bernard would display some frustration with the mis-use of knife terms esp. "half whittler" for which he blamed Case marketing efforts. In one or more posts i read it to say that this term originated with Case but there was no documentation of when this began.
Not everything Bernard states is correct (most of it is though).
It is such a 'catchy' term that i'm sure calling a serpentine pen knife a half whittler has boosted sales of this pattern significantly.
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Re: What is the origin

Postby richard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:54 pm

i have this old shapleigh, i call a serpentine pen. but it is a good whittler. :)
so maybe now i will call it a half whittler? :?
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Re: What is the origin

Postby richard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:48 pm

also this swell centre pen is a good :D whittler
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