The English Jack

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:32 am

Bernie Levine defines an English Jack as a slim, regular, or sleeveboard Jack, over 4" in length. An American term for a traditional English pattern, they sometimes had premium materials, fancy bolsters and/or locking blades. Some were called folding Bowies. They conjure up pictures of men walking through foggy London nights in dark cloaks, with dim gas fired globes creating intermittent pools of light!!!
I am growing to like these big knives. Here are a few. Please show off yours for all to see!
The first is an Empire from Winsted Ct, and the pair are; left, Schrade Walden, and right, Schrade Cut Co! Enjoy!

jfarmer · Post by **jfarmer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 am

I'm not quite sure if this Robeson would qualify as an English Jack or not.

James

jfarmer · Post by **jfarmer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:02 am

I believe S&M Calls this one an English Jack.

James

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:55 am

Nice looking knives, James! How long are they??

jfarmer · Post by **jfarmer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:07 am

The S&M is 3 5/8 inches and the Robeson is 4 1/2 inches. That is the closed length of them.

James

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:24 am

Well, if you stick to the conventional terminology, the Robey is an English Jack (EJ) and the Schatt is not. I think the idea is it's supposed to be a bigger knife.
Doesn't stop the Schatt from being a nice knife though. A "mini" EJ if you will

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Now let's get those biggies out there guys!

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:24 pm

Great looking knives upnorth

I really like that 'mini' English Jack James

All of my English Jacks are under 4 inches.

s-k

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:18 pm

Are you pulling our non-English legs s-k??

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:52 pm

I don't have any of the long slender style although those are a very traditional pattern. These are all under 4 inches long with a variety of master blades.

Mossdancer · Post by **Mossdancer** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:15 pm

Great looking knives.
Upnorth:
Thanks for the post, have'nt had the old fella out in a year or so. This is the later issue KA-BAR of the Union Cutlery in LGIV pg 218. It also depicts a post elsewhere in AAPK about early blade locks.
wb

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:33 pm

Some cool knives.

Charlie you must have a bottomless chest of very cool older knives.

Bill

P.S.
Does this one qualify?

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:50 pm

Depends, Bill! Does it hold an edge???

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:16 pm

Here are three versions of that Scagel re-issue that look like daddy barlows, but we all know are English Jacks!!

nifbuf · Post by **nifbuf** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:51 am

Page 89, 1911 Schatt & Morgan Catalog No. 2 and four that I have in my collection, three Schatts and one Queen City. The English Jack is one of my favorites.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:58 am

nifbuf wrote:Page 89, 1911 Schatt & Morgan Catalog No. 2 and four that I have in my collection, three Schatts and one Queen City. The English Jack is one of my favorites.

Great looking knives nifbuf...OUTSTANDING !!!!

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:04 am

Here are my additions to this great page...Please tell me what does or doesn't belong in the English Jack page..

And by the way the Robeson Demontrators are 5" closed..

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:11 am

Beautiful knives guys!
Those must be the best Schatts around, David!
Keep them coming everyone!

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:42 pm

Unfortunately, I don't own any of these

but some good e.g.s from Jos Rodgers & Sons 1910 catalogue.

s-k

you need to expand to full page and the click on expand arrows bottom right of photo to get a clear view. That's the best I can do.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:34 pm

It would be nice to find a few of those, in the flesh so to speak!!
Thanks for the pages s-k. They enlarge to nice detail.

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:55 pm

sunburst I think it's the nice bolsters with the company name in black
that makes me love the knife.

Sorry I can't help it.
Looking at that Robeson it makes me fell like its a Rolls Royce Brand knife.

Does any one eles like that look??

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:03 pm

Just acquired this English Jack. it is 4.5 inches closed. Taylors & the Eye trademark date back to the 1820-30s. However, by 1850s Taylors was taken over by Thomas Needham. He subsequently joined forces with Messrs Veal & Tyzack and they continued to produce Taylors Eyewitness brand knives well into the 20th cent. This one has the square/flush tang & bolster construction shown in another thread. I think this one dates from the late 1800s or very early 1900s.

s-k

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:12 pm

Most excellent knife there S-K...

Bill

Gunsmoke47 · Post by **Gunsmoke47** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:15 pm

Beautiful knife S-K! Thanks for sharing!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:41 pm

i like it again!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:31 pm

Great oldie, s-k! Wonderful vintage stag, and stamped blade; makes my knife lovin' heart go pit-a-pat!!

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