CASE TESTED 06245-1/2 Reg Pull Green Bone???

[zp4ja]

A little help please...

I have what appears to be a CASE TESTED 06245-1/2 Reg Pull Green Bone with the "Closed C shield.
Closed length is 3-3/4". A very thin knife at only 5-16" wide. Single backspring.
From what I can tell from the books, Sarge shows a pic in his 7th edition for the 06245-1/2 Long Pull without the "LP" designation on the model number. Making one think that the 06245-1/2 had Long Pull nick as standard, hence no "LP" in the model number. Maybe a typo, who knows, that is the reason for my question.
Pocket Trader Vol. 9 shows only 1 reg pull in Tested, "06245-1/2 GreenBone Reg Pull- Rare", I am think this is what the knife is.

To further confuse matters, the blades when fully open are not straight out. I would not call them bent but there is a slight curve to them. Blade action is smooth with strong open and close snaps. They fit well when closed with no open and closes scratches. No need to bend or move the blade to close to prevent scratches from hitting the other blade or the liner. I am alittle puzzled on this fact. Inside of the knife is pretty damn clean. The backspring does not ride high or low when both blades are full open or closed. No evidence of being taken apart that I can see.

I hit her with some Blue Magic (that stuff is great in my opinion) and oiled it before I took the pics, so if she appears heavily buufed, not by my hand. If the input is that the knife is authentic, she is a pretty damn minty example. Not sure about the slight curve in the blade if normal for the knife though. Please advise.

Sorry to be verbose but alot to consider on this one, at least for me when reading it. Any and all input will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Jerry

[Jethro Bodine]

Pocket Trader Vol. 9 shows only 1 reg pull in Tested, "06245-1/2 GreenBone Reg Pull- Rare", I am think this is what the knife is.

I would have to agree with that. Can't say I've ever seen a 06245 1/2, a spear blade was the common main.

Jerry, not sure if this will help, but.... I have a 06245 LP Tested Era. And in comparison, to me yours looks like a thicker 45. Its bit odd looking for a 2-bladed 45 pattern. It would almost appear that its made with the 45 Scout tooling, instead of the 45 cattle knife. That could explain the extra 1/4 in overall length? Could they have made some 1/2's with the opposite tooling?

[zp4ja]

Jethro my friend, Thanks much for the input!!!

What is the thickness on your knife? This is a thin knife in my opinion at 5/16" wide after re measurement. Maybe slightly thiiner than that by a hair or two. No mistake on the closed length at 3-3/4" though.
The handles/ frame is right about 3/4" high at the mid point when measured at the center pin. Handle/frame is 5/8" when measured where the scale meets the bolsters.

Since you contributed your observation (appreciated much!), I looked again at the pics in Sarge's 7th again. On page 227, he shows a 06245-1/2 with LP. Maybe it's my eyeballs but my frame seems to taper more than the pic he shows. From the measurement I made as stated above, knife tapers down 1/8" from center pin to the where the scales meet the bolsters.

Steve has a pretty XX 06245 in his book and shows some great comparisons between the frame/knife pattern variations, but I still can't tell what the hell I have here. Then again, with the prefix of "0" on the pattern number, very difficult to tell. I understand that this is indicative of a pattern change but not always applicable or telling to the non-expert collector.

I am thinking this is an 06245-1/2 Reg Pull, but with the measurements, your observations, pics and that "0" prefix, really unsure at this point. Who knows? Hope someone does.

Any additional input will be greatly appreciated. This pretty knife is starting to bug me. Thanks again.
Regards, Jerry

[knifeaholic]

Looks right to me but it is the first 06245 1/2 that I have seen with regular pull. However I have seen and owned several three blade Tested 45 cattle knives with the main blade regular pull so they did use that tooling.

BTW, the "LP" designation was never used by Case as part of their numbering system. It is strictly a collector term.

[zp4ja]

Thanks so much Steve!!! I appreciate the input.

[Jethro Bodine]

Jethro my friend, Thanks much for the input!!!

What is the thickness on your knife? This is a thin knife in my opinion at 5/16" wide after re measurement. Maybe slightly thiiner than that by a hair or two. No mistake on the closed length at 3-3/4" though.
The handles/ frame is right about 3/4" high at the mid point when measured at the center pin. Handle/frame is 5/8" when measured where the scale meets the bolsters.

Since you contributed your observation (appreciated much!), I looked again at the pics in Sarge's 7th again. On page 227, he shows a 06245-1/2 with LP. Maybe it's my eyeballs but my frame seems to taper more than the pic he shows. From the measurement I made as stated above, knife tapers down 1/8" from center pin to the where the scales meet the bolsters.

Steve has a pretty XX 06245 in his book and shows some great comparisons between the frame/knife pattern variations, but I still can't tell what the hell I have here. Then again, with the prefix of "0" on the pattern number, very difficult to tell. I understand that this is indicative of a pattern change but not always applicable or telling to the non-expert collector.

I am thinking this is an 06245-1/2 Reg Pull, but with the measurements, your observations, pics and that "0" prefix, really unsure at this point. Who knows? Hope someone does.

Any additional input will be greatly appreciated. This pretty knife is starting to bug me. Thanks again.
Regards, Jerry

Jerry the thickness is the same, but height at center pin is just a shade over 5/8". With that tapering to 9/16" at the bolster.

Steve's 06245 reg pull spear on page 158 slightly gives that swelling apperarance at the center pin, just like yours. Looking more like a scout/utility frame.

It would seem that some 2-bladed 45's were made with the slightly larger scout/utility knife frame, instead of the cattle knife version.

I have Case Brothers 02245 1/2 that I should measure for comparison.