Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915 to 1946 -A WORK IN PROGRESS

The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
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Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915 to 1946 -A WORK IN PROGRESS

Post by orvet » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:51 pm

I have been chasing a timeline of Camillus tang stamps for several years, as many of you know. Like all vast projects started with half-vast ideas and expectations it has proven to be a monumental task! With over 100 years of stampings (with the Camillus name alone) it has begun to take shape in my mind in pieces.

This post is a small piece of that timeline dating from 1915 (about) to 1946, just after the end of WW II. For some of the stamps I have used the drawings presented in Goin’s Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings. For others I have used my own picture (1932 tang stamp) or a picture taken form AAPK, the 1933 tang stamp, (unfortunately I don’t remember who so graciously allowed me to use his picture so I can properly credit him).


1915:
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Both stamps have letters (in the computer ages we would call it a font) that is sans serif; without the little points on the ends of the letters, (much like the Arial font).


1916:
Goins:
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The master blade is stamped with serif letters, (much like the Times New Roman font); the secondary blade stamp is sans serif.


1915-1918:
Goins:
Goins - Camillus 1915     -1918 Markings.jpg
This marks the start of this 3 line tang stamp: serif letters and the hyphen between the “New” and the “York” of the third line. If John and Charlotte Goins are correct on this dating there must have been a new stamp introduced about 1919-1920, but I don’t think it was the 4 line stamp they show in their book.

1919-1932: Three Line Stamp
CAMILLUS
CUTLERY CO
CAMILLUS NY

The reason I think this stamp is a 3 line and not the 4 line stamp is that we have a dated knife in 1932, a reproduction of George Washington’s penknife that has this stamp. I am assuming Goins is correct on his previous stamp date and that there was no other stamps between 1919 and 1932.

1932 George Washington’s penknife reproduction
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1933 Worlds Fair Knife
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This is the first dated example I am aware of that shows the 4 line tang stamp used up until 1946. This knife was made for the 1933 World’s Fair. It is pretty well accepted among Camillus collectors that the 4 line stamp as seen here was used until after WW II until about 1946 when the tang stamp changed again to a 3 line stamp. According to Tom Williams, (Camillus Company Historian), this stamp was the last time Camillus used the word “CUTLERY” in their tang stamps except for reproductions of the Marine Rader Stiletto and the A425 USCG knives. These reproductions used the original tang stamps that were used during WW II.


This list of tang stamps is a work in progress, not the final word. I have no doubt I will need to change this list, perhaps multiple times. I welcome your feedback on this list and suggestions. There are other Camillus stamps I am aware of but I am unsure of where they go at this point in time. Some other tang stamps I think predate 1915, others, maybe not. Your input is welcome.

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Re: Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915 to 1946 -A WORK IN PROGR

Post by jerryd6818 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:55 pm

Get this done Dale. This would be a great resource. ::nod::
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Post by WelderBob » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:28 pm

Thats looking good Dale... ::tu:: ...the period between 1919 and 1946 is a hard one to figure out, but you are on the right track... ::nod::

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Post by orvet » Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:15 pm

Here is an interesting tang stamp not pit into the mix yet.
The knife belongs to Jim, (coffeecup). I think it is an Army Air Corps knife; the Navy also used it. If this were the case, it would date it circa WW II.
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Post by orvet » Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:23 pm

Here is another fixed blade 3 line stamp. This pic is courtesy of welderbob.

The unique thing about this stamp is that the first and third lines are curved; the first curved upward and the third curved downward. This is the only example I have see of this stamping.

The use of the word ‘CUTLERY’ dates it prior to 1946 when ‘cutlery’ was dropped from Camillus tang stamps.

Bob does know the knife came from a retired US Army officer, who was a WW II veteran.
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Post by orvet » Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:33 pm

This is the only example I have of a 5 line Camillus stamp. This pic came from welderbob. Since I first saw this knife, Bob graciously sent me the knife because I was so interested in the tang stamp. Thank you Bob!

Again the use of the word “CUT” as an abbreviation of ‘cutlery’ makes me think this stamp would be prior to 1946.

It is obvious that the standard 4 line stamp would not fit on the tang of this small knife given the caplifter cut out. Perhaps this stamp is unique to this pattern?
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Post by Vit_213 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:03 am

I have this knife with 4 line tang stamp
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Post by Iron Hoarder » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:29 am

Nice work Dale! ::tu::
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Post by orvet » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:11 am

Nice one Vit!
May I borrow your picture?
I don't think I have an example of that stamp.
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Post by Vit_213 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:21 am

orvet wrote:Nice one Vit!
May I borrow your picture?
I don't think I have an example of that stamp.
Yes, of course.
Tomorrow, I may make a larger size picture :wink:

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Post by Vit_213 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:44 am

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Post by TripleF » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:16 am

Awesome thread! Thanks Dale!

I just purchased a one blade EO 4 line stamp!
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Post by orvet » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:42 pm

That is excellent Scott! ::tu::
Be sure to show it to us in the Camillus WW II and Before thread!
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Re: Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915 to 1946 -A WORK IN PROGR

Post by tjmurphy » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:12 pm

I thought that I had read here on the forum, a long time ago, that these "bartender's" knives (single blade with cap lifter and a cork screw) were more modern manufacture and not from the era that the stamp indicates. I do have to admit though that my brain does go to sleep on me now and then.
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