Are the current Bulldog knives of high quality?

miklobe · Post by **miklobe** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:37 pm

Are the current Bulldog brand knives as good as or better than other German-made knives?

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:32 pm

Man, is this a loaded question or what?

Guess I'll stick my neck in the noose. I'll just compare the 2006 crop of Bulldog knives with the older Bulldog knives, otherwise it would be like comparing apples to oranges to cherries, and to beef. In my opinion the 2006 knives are inferior to the older Bulldogs. I am a Bulldog collector with a few hundred knives (I really don't have an exact number, 300 to 450, I guess) and for me the only 2006 knife I like is the Barlow. Designed to be a inexpensive working knife, this one is too simple to screw up. Many Bulldog collectors I know are complaing about the poor quality of the current line of knives. Many are also complaining of Buzz Parker's (silverladdie, Jim Parker's old user name on ebay) ethic's and notorious temper and the same complaints are being leveled against Ed Henley (whittlinfella). For instance look at the eBay feedback for silverladdie and justdeb3 around September 9th. Justdeb3 recieved some knives from silverladdie that were all scratched up that were advertised as mint. You can see there battle of some 10 or 15 each negative feedbacks from September 9 to the end of the month. Quite nasty! Not too long ago I saw a knife from whittlinfella being sold as a first generation and I emailed him that it was a third generation because it had Surgical Inst. on one tang, that did not start until 1993. No change, no reply. Makes me think that Parker's has become a den of obnoxious, foul, and mean spirited thieves. I bring all this up because they are pushing long time customers away. If they keep operating in this manner there may be no-one that wants to deal with them. I've had no problems but I have heard too many bad stories about Parker's under Buzz's leadership.
Back to the original question, IMO, No the current line of Bulldogs is inferior to the 2004 line, which I think was the best knives since the third generation. This is just my opinion, but I have noticed a couple sellers that do not carry as many Bulldog knives as they once did.
I want to collect quality, not drama, not the current line.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:28 pm

i agree. i've had problems with the current owner.

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:44 pm

Yes, and those are the 2 guys who will write the section on Bulldog knives in the 8th edition of the Pocket Knife Traders Guide. Makes you feel warm all over doesn't it.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:12 pm

well, i won't add that one to my library. i wonder if there will be a section on " old warehouse found vintage brands".

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:50 pm

jonet143 wrote:well, i won't add that one to my library. i wonder if there will be a section on " old warehouse found vintage brands".

You should add that one, there will be changes to the Case section also, I think Perry (knifekid) has something to do on the Case section along with someone else. I believe Ed and Buzz have nothing to do with the Case section.

miklobe · Post by **miklobe** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:50 pm

Thanks for the opinions; I appreciate them.

Roger - 50/2050 · Post by **Roger - 50/2050** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:00 am

Howdy Boys,

Darrell is quite right about today's Bulldog line of knives being inferior compared to those made in the yesteryear's line, quality has sure dropped out on the new lines that are out on the market now! ....According to Perry the different knife chapters in the new up & coming "Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide - Volume #8" will be authored in this way below,

Case Classics & Bulldog's.......Buzz Parker & Ed Henley
Case knives Antique through 1970.......Tony Foster
Case knives 1971 through current.......Perry Miller

To add to this friends, it is my understanding that the book values on all knives talked about or mentioned in this new price guide will be more realistically book valued this time & may in fact be considered lower than the previous years! On this matter, I just don't know as we will just have to wait & see when this new price guide hits the racks some time in Nov, I always buy two copies every time it comes out!

"Texas collector", Roger - 50/2050

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:05 am

you're right, i will buy the book because it will contain valuable information. i should'nt let personal feelings sway me so easily.

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:17 am

Due to the low quality of the current Bulldog line, it could be an oppertunity to pick up some older Bulldog models as the current low quality seems to have affected prices not only with the new line but accross the board. I can actually get knives from eBay cheaper than I can at Parker's. When that happens, you know sellers are losing money. I have also seen some bargains to be had with the older Bulldog line, but know what you are buying.

edhenley · Post by **edhenley** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:06 pm

Well,

Rather than waste my time defending myself against the slime HUKK on here, all I will say is that Bulldog Brand knives are made in the same factory as they were 20 years ago. The Friedrich Olbertz factory strives to provide everyone with a superior quality german knife. We have some great things in the works this year with Bulldog including some possible USA made Bulldogs. Maybe HUKK will approve of those....

like I care

Please try to not listen to folks like HUKK. Sounds like the "keyboard warrior" himself got piss in his Wheaties!

Thanks for asking about Bulldog Brand.
They are fabulous knives!

Ed Henley
Bulldog Brand Knife Company

johnnierotten · Post by **johnnierotten** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:46 am

Wow!!! Were did that come from?????

Hey MIKLOBE,I have knives of every popular German made brand there is and I think the new Bulldogs are great knives...But I do agree with Hukk,the quality has gone down since 04...Maybe not as much as some people think but it is noticeable....I have around 20-25 new Bulldogs and I'm happy with them.

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:47 am

edhenley, I think people are entitled to their opinions without being

called "SLIME". If you want to start mud slinging, then take it over

to "Bladeforums", where they like those kind of posts.

A&E · Post by **A&E** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:55 am

Nobody here is a "slime."

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:22 am

Is that the official response from the Bulldog Brand Knife Company??? That was an amazingly unproffesional response if it was.

Hukk is one of the most knowledgeable people I have had the pleasure of talking to when it comes to Bulldog brand knives. His collection is by far one of the best I have ever seen and I haven't seen but only a small percentage of his knives.

His love for the Bulldog brand is very impressive and without knowing it has only helped to push the brand itself. When he says that he sees a falloff on quality or ingenuity it is because he has the last 20 years of Bulldog knives to compare them to.

Your venomous response to Hukk's opinion only shows that he is more than likely right on target. As a Bulldog collector myself your response gives me an idea of what the management is like in the company. Maybe that is why I have moved away from the brand for last year or so, but more than likely its because the company is not providing the customer with the quality product we have grown accustomed to.

Sunburst

trlrider77 · Post by **trlrider77** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:44 am

I have to agree with Sunburst. This is not the way to win over more customers. I have been considering getting a few Bulldogs but i will now reconsider. That response was very unprofessional and I don't think it has a place on this board. People do have their own opinions and the OP just asked a question that could be answered with opinion or as in Hukk's instance fact. I have not been collecting for that long but I do enjoy it now. I only have a few Case knives now but I have been wanting to branch out and learn more about other brands. I will have to say that I will never own a Bulldog knife. I hope no one considers this a hateful post but for someone to come on here and insult any member is uncalled for.

johnnierotten · Post by **johnnierotten** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:50 am

I couldn't agree more!!!

I think people are entitled to their opinions without being

called "SLIME". If you want to start mud slinging, then take it over

to "Bladeforums", where they like those kind of posts. thumbs down

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:04 am

MITCH RAPP wrote: edhenley, I think people are entitled to their opinions without being

called "SLIME". If you want to start mud slinging, then take it over

to "Bladeforums", where they like those kind of posts.

Well said Mitch. That is exactly why I spend more time at AAPK than BF.
I think Mr Henley is totally out of line to come on AAPK and start name calling. What HUKK said was either a matter of opinion or public record. I had read the bad feedback war between Justdeb3 & Mr Parker some time back.

I and many other members of this forum have arms to protect our right to free speech. HUKK was merely exercising that right and did not do so in a slanderous manner. He also did not result in name calling. Mr Henley also exercised that right, but in a most inappropriate manner. Name calling is never professional. If this is an example of the professionalism of the Bulldog Knife organization, I will not be a customer.

I have admired many of the Bulldogs posted by members of this forum, HUKK's in particular. I was actually considering picking up one or two and checking out the quality. After Mr. Henley's outburst, that is not going to happen.

Just my 2¢,
Dale

justold52 · Post by **justold52** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:56 am

This made me THINK....

Thanks to my knifer friend Hukk. I have 12 Bulldog knives (THANKS TO HIM) and all but one are Prototypes 1995. I am very pleased with his opinion back then as I am now too. I fell Hukk is a man that speaks his mind and can back up what he said. If he needs some other backing I for one will stand up with him.

I fell edhenley may have got some what hot reading Hukk's opinion. Perhapes he will come back and let us all fell better about the Friedrich Olbertz factory. Sunburst was RIGHT AGAIN

(amazingly unproffesional response)

Gunsmoke47 · Post by **Gunsmoke47** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:01 am

Bad business.

longbeachbum · Post by **longbeachbum** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:07 am

I think Hukk has sufficient reputation here AND at Blade Forums that anyone who uses the word "slime" with respect to him automatically attaches that label to themself.

I don't know what the deal with current issue Bulldogs is, but they clearly seem to be of inferior quality even to other current issue Olbertz made knives.

I recently ordered a Bulldog Li'l Cotton Sampler, and a Weidmansheil Tricklock out of the Parkers catalog. The Bulldog was 29.99 and the Weidmansheill was $39.99. They arrived together, and the Bulldog was a dissappointment, and the Weidmannshiel exceeded expectations.

The Bulldog was second cut stag with that schmutz appied to it -- I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. The Weidmansheil was genuine first cut bark stag. Fit and finish was very different between the two knives. The Weidmansheil was five times the knife the Bulldog was.

I don't know why Olbertz made knives offered by Parkers should be so different, but in my experience, if the brand is Weidmannshiel or Shapleighs you get a great knife at a reasonable price. If it's Bulldog, you take your chances.

rod · Post by **rod** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:14 am

I don't own any Bulldogs but I don't think I have to, to agree with you folks that calling a person slime is totally out of line. Especially for a person in his position. He certainly has a lot more to loose than hukk does for expressing his opinion.
As for Buzz, I can't say anything negative about him but I think his eBay sales or I should say the quality and variety of knives was much better on the ebay site before he started loading it with Bulldogs.

Rod

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:47 am

I also got the following threat from Ed back in January, the ninth to be exact. But I still post as I see fit, with honesty and integrity and like all opinions, not everyone will agree. That's what forums are for, to express opinions and to share knowledge, some a matter of public record. This forum is not for flaming fellow members on a whim although Ed Henley's post does take everything I posted as an opinion and makes it FACT.
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"Hey Darrell,

Stumbled upon a knife forum where you chose to bash myself and Buzz pretty good. You are more than welcome to call us and speak to us like a man would. So you havent forgot, our number is 423-894-5102. I really look forward to having the chance to defend myself.

Ed Henley

PS- Slander can cause you a world of legal problems!!"

I guess I'll let Ed's post do most of the talking, it does tell a story in itself since Ed is Buzz Parker's right hand man at Parker's. He could have chosen a more professional manner in which to respond to my opinions. However the language and hostility are not normal for this forum (actually banned if I'm not mistaken) and are out of character for someone who is honest and a straight shooter, in my opinion of course.

I'll let Bryan decide if he wants to keep this post, I could delete it, but choose not to, it does no harm to me, at all.

Thank you to all my friends who responed to Ed Henley's post or will respond, it's a shame that a represenative (or employee) of Parker's Knife Collector's Service has to resort to these mudslinging tactics. It only validates the rumors and shows so much class

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jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:09 am

i think it should stay darrell. does ed henley more harm if it's public.

singin46 · Post by **singin46** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:20 am

Here Here, I have old Bulldogs and new ones and can honestly say the quality is not up to a knife of 1993. Hope it gets better again soon, but there is no need for name calling and below the belt comments toward someone with the reputation of HUKK. I am not alone in saying that he is a solid and valuable part of this forum.

Singin46

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