took a chance... harness jack

[jonet143]

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sometimes you do ok on a listing that is not as good as we like. put the minimum bid in and won it. it's a harness jack after all! stamp is eagle over phil'a. patent on punch is the harrison pat. owned by new york knife co. george f. creutzberg used this mark from 1875-1943. he bought knives from major cutlerys and shaved or ground the original marks and re-stamped with his mark. of course we normally frown on such action but in this case, it's not meant to deceive. first one i have ever seen except in books. snaps like one of sunburst's gators! half stops on both blades. 3 1/2" closed. iron bolsters, brass liners. blade is cut swedged on both sides. i believe it's a new york knife co. originally. thoughts?

[gmusic]

Very interesting johnnie!

Congrats on the win!

[upnorth]

George was stamping his knives by hand, I am pretty sure. Most of the few stamps I've seen are of uneven depth like yours. A mark of authenticity in this case! Nice score! NYK quality at a bargain price!

[BIGHEAD]

At under ten bucks you can't go wrong

[Sauconian]

George was stamping his knives by hand, I am pretty sure. Most of the few stamps I've seen are of uneven depth like yours. A mark of authenticity in this case! Nice score! NYK quality at a bargain price!

I'm not disagreeing with you Charlie, as this company seems to be known for buying knives of other makers ( seconds ?) and restamping them, but I've been told a blade is too hard to hand stamp once it's been heat treated.

Was George possibly buying unfinished parts and assembling them into finished knives ?

Fran

[upnorth]

Fran, that might be the reason those stamps are usually uneven, but better-made knives actually had the tangs slightly annealed back from hard (I hope I am using the right terminology) so the blades wouldn't be brittle at the tang, and snap off! The tangs are softer than the cutting part of the blades on good knives, and many counterfeits are "cold" stamped after the fact.
I have seen the process at Queen and Case.
Not the counterfeiting, but the annealing !

[Sauconian]

Thanks Charlie.

I had seen that process in a " How It's Made " show on T.V. but didn't remember it until now.

Case was using an electric induction oven which heated the tangs.

Fran

[Hukk]

Yes, you can heat a blade to help "Cold Stamping". The same method is used to straighten blades by custom makers - about 500 - 600 degrees.