Schatt and Morgan, Titusville Pa. 1903 - 1933

[Miller Bro's]

I seen both brass and copper used on the old knives, as far as I know it was to keep the bail from corroding. There was a lanyard attached and that would hold moisture especially on the sea with salt water it would rust fast if it was steel.

There is a heavy patina on this knife and I don't buff my old knives so I did not see the military marks but they might be there, pretty sure this one was made for the Canadian military

Thanks for looking

[1967redrider]

Thanks for the info.

[1967redrider]

Posting these two (Jess Crouch and Chris Wolf) because of their ties to Schatt & Morgan. I believe they were last made in 1915 for Sears.

There are lots of really gorgeous old knives in this thread, I'm blown away when I scroll through them.

[stockman]

Nice old knife 3 1/2” closed hope I haven’t posted this. Harold

[Miller Bro's]

[FRJ]

Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.

[QTCut5]

Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.

WOW...gorgeous bones on that old Congress, Joe...Very Nice!

[FRJ]

Thank you, Q, it has held up well over the years.

[Ivoryman]

Here's a sweet old Congress Jack. 3 7/8" closed.
Thanks for looking.

Beauty. Great bones and bolsters.

[FRJ]

Thank you, Ivoryman.
Glad you like it.

[Quick Steel]

Ditto all the above. I love the color of those bones.

[FRJ]

Thank you, Quick Steel.

[1967redrider]

Another sweet HOK, Joe!

[danno50]

Great knives, Harold and Joe! Joe, I am especially partial to the congress jacks.

[celluloidheros]

Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow!
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em!
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!!
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Dave

hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !

[FRJ]

Reviewing this thread ----- Thanks to redrider and Dan.

Pure eye candy in this thread!

[knowtracks]

Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow!
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em!
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!!
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Dave

hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !

All the knives I've posted in this thread are original S&M made in Titusville acquired from several sources.
Just like all the knives I've posted in the Gowanda thread are original from there.

Dave

PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection

[QTCut5]

PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection

Well, pitter patter...let's get to her. Looking forward to seeing the other ½+ of your collection, Dave.

[celluloidheros]

Two real Beauties right there Lloyd!! You prompted me to dig mine out and to a comparison with the lockback....soon to follow!
I also have one of those metal "tweezers" Miller Bro's!! Only two I've ever seen but I'd bet they made a bunch of em!
Thank You Danno!!
Here's a barehead jack with some sweet honey bone that looks like it's brand new! Half stops and snaps like a trap!!
IMG_3040.jpg


Dave

They are some real beauties.

hello, some of the SM knives you post seem like more recent made knives and some are older. Do you have access to newer made parts or are they just mint old examples ? Many of the knives are just fantastic examples. great collection !

All the knives I've posted in this thread are original S&M made in Titusville acquired from several sources.
Just like all the knives I've posted in the Gowanda thread are original from there.

Dave

PS I think I've only posted bout half my collection

[celluloidheros]

Thanks cudgee! Than one is as close to pristine as any T-ville Schatt that I've ever seen!
Week or so back Lloyd/Duffer posted his Beautiful Lockback and Advertising S&M's, and it got me to thinkin........
One of the things that was so to me was that Queen bought Schatt and Morgan lock, stock and barrel. So that when, under Bill Howard's hand, Queen decided to make the Annual Reproduction or Keystone Series and then the File and Wire Series, they were making these old S&M patterns with the same old original machinery, set-ups, tooling and work benches. Making the same exact pocket cutlery, in the same exact way, at the same exact work stations as they were made dang near a 100 yrs ago. Still basically made by hand by skilled cutlers. I really hated to see Queen go down so much American cutlery history.
Anyway....... that was the long way around the barn for this comparison of the Original and the F&W Lockbacks.
I expect everyone reading this knows it's a big knife @ 5 1/2" and the lock release is positioned way closer to the pivot than most lockbacks.
Just the bottom bolster and subtle differences between the two. The rat tail size and where the cut swedge stops. The pull placement and length, pin locations, thickness of the blade and spring are exactly the same.
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Dave

With these knives being reproduced. Is it possible that people might use the parts in older knives ? I know that when the Case Classic series came out that it caused some issues. Is there any way to tell from the marks whether they are old or new ?

[knowtracks]

Smaller single blade, well used but not abused jack. My guess is that it was a spear point, still nice brown bone. 3 1/4" closed

Lots of years of service and lots left!


Dave

[danno50]

Another nice old knife, Dave!

Apologies to Harold and Joe. In my post on Nov 16, 2021, when commenting on their recent postings, I accidently gave them two thumbs down, instead of two thumbs up. I hope they knew what I really meant.

[Thomasg]

. Two clauss contract knifes

[Ridgegrass]

Bought this old Schatt and Morgan in Salisbury, MD yesterday. Swell-center, double end jack, ebony, just shy of 4". Lots of wear but an equal amount of character.Still tight and snappy. Happy to make this rare find. J.O'.

[Kramersknife]

I attended the Queen Factory auction in 2019 and went through the whole building and basement looking at the thousands of unfinished blades as well as the un repaired knives ( I bought quite a few and restored 13 so far) was a site to see... kinda sad too. My mom was born in Titusville I only live about 42 miles away now.I just paid my son's college tuition so I only spent $450.00 that day but I would of tripled that.I did get two S&M auto's and one Queen,So far restored 2 gonna do one more this winter.I have a lot of paperwork as we bought everything in the MGr's office including file cabinets, chair, computers, desk filled with Queen, S&M, Moore Maker, Remington purchase orders and knife drawings/ tracings with design changes and updates for department head meetings. Pretty cool stuff