Info on Remington knife

Danny TN · Post by **Danny TN** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:01 pm

Anyone have any info on this knife. The big blade is stamped R5143. Small blade stamped
PAT.NO.
2037943
2170553
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Bryan · Post by **Bryan** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:06 pm

Here is some interesting stuff about the patent numbers...

2037943
http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US0 ... PN/2037943

http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US0 ... PN/2037943

2170553
http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=021 ... 6991F1EA19

This one is a foot spraying apparatus...
Are you sure the second patent number is correct?

As for the pattern... I would call that knife a swayback pen. Many would say it's a small two bladed congress.

Bryan

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:02 pm

Bryan,

I found your comment about sway back verses congress interesting. I would have called it a congress but you may be right. What to others think about this pattern. Does a congress have to have four blades???? I have a Tuna Valley that is called a two bladed congress tha is similar in design. Maybe I have been wrong??? Let me know

Bryan · Post by **Bryan** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:34 pm

Hi PA,

I didn't mean for the comment to sound like it is incorrect to call these congresses, I just prefer the term swayback pen. I'm probably the one that is wrong... I think it would be acceptable either way. I'm going to go get my copy of Bernard Levines Guide and see what he says.

Bryan

brandon · Post by **brandon** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:38 pm

are you shure that its a R5143 cant find can find R6143

Danny TN · Post by **Danny TN** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:02 pm

It's R5143. I just checked it again with my handy "Magnvision glass"

Danny TN · Post by **Danny TN** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:04 pm

It's R5143. I just checked it again with my handy "Magnvision glass"

Bryan · Post by **Bryan** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:30 pm

According to Bernard Levive’s Guide to Knives and Their Values page 190… The “congress” is crescent shaped, usually has squared corners (sometimes rounded), can have 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 blades. Usually the master blade is sheepsfoot. Larger congresses were often called tobacco knives and were created specifically for the American market.

That knife for sure matched Mr. Levine's description of a congress. I am sure the master blade was a sheepfoot before several sharpenings. So... Congress it is!

Bryan

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:43 pm

Bryan,
In honor of the Tour de France, you must be using the French version (Levive)......

It's said that Lincoln had a 6 bladed Congress in his pocket the night he went to Ford's Theatre, only to be shot...

Both Houston Price's, and Ritchie and Stewart's, (hey, wait....that's 3 guys

), books call this a Congress Pen pattern. So there you go....

Danny,
If that knife IS a R5143 as you say, I can't find it in any of 5 sources or when I Googled that pattern number??? It should have plastic scales (Pyremite) if it's a 5. I've got to admit, they look like bone to me??? R6143 is a 2 bladed Congress Pen in brown bone......but, who knows?

Good luck,

Bill

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:44 pm

HEY!

This is exactly why I like being a part of these discussions. You guys are great to look into these things with such depth. I am off to the Queen Knife show this afternoon. I will be thinking of all of you, HA HA A Just kidding. I hope to take some digital photos and post them on the forum. Let's hope that a CASE MFG Warren PA is just waiting for me to show up and buy it.

remington collector · Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:19 pm

The last number 3 indicates bone handles, not the first number.

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:39 pm

Welcome remington collector!
You are correct of course...I was a bit sloppy in my reading and reporting.

The last #3 = bone.
I still can't find an R5143 in anything I've got on hand...only the R6143 2 bladed Congress, in bone. Any help?

Bill

remington collector · Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:34 pm

I can't find any Remington folder with a pattern number beginning with the number 5.