Knives that violate PayPal's acceptable use policy...???

[Bryan]

Ok... I'll admit that I often push the limits on these things, but to me this is just crazy

Today's email exchanges with PayPal...

Quoting [email protected]:

> Due to the violation of PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy regarding
> Firearms, Weapons, and Knives, your account has been closed.
> You have automatic knives available for sale with PayPal as a payment
> option on your website http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/
>
> Please remove all references to PayPal from your website(s) and/or
> auction(s). This includes not only removing PayPal as a payment option,
> but also the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart.
>
> If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
> Department at [email protected].
>
> Sincerely,
> PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
> PayPal, an eBay Company

Quoting AAPK:

Can you please email to me a specific webpage that has an automatic knife for
sale on our website that someone could purchase and pay with PayPal? All
automatic knives for sale at http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com can only be purchased
with a credit card through a merchant account (unrelated to PayPal) or with a
money order. It specifically states that and the checkout system will not
allow any PayPal payments for automatic knives. If you show me where they are
for sale against your policies, I will remove them ASAP.

Quoting [email protected]:

Your website has PayPal as a payment option for knives such as the
Leatherman knives- E302 for instance.

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There are ten Leatherman E302 knives for sale on eBay (PayPal's parent company) right now...???
Link to them here

Here is a link to PayPal's acceptable use policy for firearms weapons and knives...
Link here


So for cryin out loud can someone tell me... What constitutes an automatic knife? eBay's hypocrisy has me quite ruffled today

Bryan

[9ball]

[jonet143]

i too, have been a victim. i purchased a schrade paratrooper auto open with a schroud cutter on ebay. i later listed and sold the knife. before i could leave feedback they suspended my account stating i had violated their policy. i can buy an automatic on ebay anytime i want. i tracked many auto knives and the only time they were removed was AFTER the sale. ebay got their money first. and it's almost impossible to talk to a real human.

johnnie

[El Lobo]

Yea, but it's OK for you to sell those 2005...er, I mean 1963...ooops, er, ah, 1863 Civil War "Bowie" knives.

WHATEVER.

General Lee

[Hukk]

It has been explained to me by the eBay GODS that they "only target you" if someone has complained about you. You may see 100 other exact items, but they only take action against a specific vendor when a complaint has been lodged by another eBay member or other anonymous party. I call it the revenge system and have been a victim of it myself. I know this from actually talking to a human (well non-computer human sub-species) at eBay for about an hour last winter. I raised so much HELL that they actually called me. I didn't know they would do that. In a nutshell, what likely happened to you is that someone filled out the complaint form. That is the ONLY time they take action, period. Sorry to hear your bad news.

[9ball]

WOW

BTW Hukk: It is just a job to these folks we entrust our Cash too.

I remember the good old days when

"It Was Fast, Friendly and Free"

[Bryan]

It has been explained to me by the eBay GODS that they "only target you" if someone has complained about you. You may see 100 other exact items, but they only take action against a specific vendor when a complaint has been lodged by another eBay member or other anonymous party. I call it the revenge system and have been a victim of it myself. I know this from actually talking to a human (well non-computer human sub-species) at eBay for about an hour last winter. I raised so much HELL that they actually called me. I didn't know they would do that. In a nutshell, what likely happened to you is that someone filled out the complaint form. That is the ONLY time they take action, period. Sorry to hear your bad news.

Ah... The tattle tale system... Very professional business practice I wish I could find the rat

This isn't a real big problem for me except that I had several eBay auctions close yesterday and now everyone is like "It won't let me pay you".

That makes for a real long day trying to explain what is going on to everyone. I should have my account back soon as I have taken PayPal off as a Payment option on all possible items that could be considered an automatic knife.

I do have a work around all planned out for when the dust settles.

Bryan

[Hukk]

WOW

BTW Hukk: It is just a job to these folks we entrust our Cash too.

I remember the good old days when

"It Was Fast, Friendly and Free"

Yes, we had a flurry of emails going back and forth, the snitch system is alive and well, but think about it: They are so large, with so many items, that they can't monitor themselves but RELY on the public to do it. I had to sell some M1 Carbine magazines and they dropped the auctions because they were 15 rounds (WWII and legal), so I listed them as 10 rounds like everyone else and they did email me and I said, "no they're 10 rounds". But if you know the codes, you know they were 15 round and vintage WWII. They also got me on a Tortoise Shell Celluloid knife. I put Celluloid in the add but they wanted MORE.
There were other M1 auctions I had that went through just fine, but should not have, I'll leave it at that. PayPal is eBay and eBay is PayPal, same horse, different color.

[9ball]

[HickoryNut]

It has been explained to me by the eBay GODS that they "only target you" if someone has complained about you. You may see 100 other exact items, but they only take action against a specific vendor when a complaint has been lodged by another eBay member or other anonymous party. I call it the revenge system and have been a victim of it myself. I know this from actually talking to a human (well non-computer human sub-species) at eBay for about an hour last winter. I raised so much HELL that they actually called me. I didn't know they would do that. In a nutshell, what likely happened to you is that someone filled out the complaint form. That is the ONLY time they take action, period. Sorry to hear your bad news.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[whittlenut]

Bryan, sorry about your luck (and everyone else) with ebay and or pay pal, but amongst all this, I'd just like to say I'm impressed with 9ball's ability to say a thousand words with pictures. He has my kind of philosophy. ROFLOL. He should have his own advertising agency. I'll bet he could work for any major newspaper in this country. Way to go 9ball.

[9ball]

What do rats do when the ship is sinking?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/10/ ... s/ebay.php


For any of you folks that follow eBay's stock it is at a three year low, $25 or so dollars.
They just ain't takin' care or listening to the Sellers.
It is about the bottom line to management, but when eBay/PayPal start Biting at the Mom & Pop folks.......those same people just ain't going to buy it. The one's that have, will Sell.

Plus this counterfeit thing on there is just not in cutlery field. A lot comming from China.
WalMart is trying to get into the "PayPal/Banking" business.
JMO

9ball

BTW: A year ago the WS folk were sayings BUY at $30, now it is BUY at $20

A special Thanks to Whittlenut for his kind comments
I am also lookin for a regular job.