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stockman · Post by **stockman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:38 am

Hello, The Harrison punch Patented June 10, 1902 No. 701,878. Could I get some help on who made knives with this punch and from when to when.

Thanks
Stockman

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:55 am

Harrison assigned the patent to New York Knife Co. New York made many knives, including several contract knives with that punch, and with a later improvement by J.E.Fuller. The Fuller punch, patented in 1916 has a spiral groove pattern on the back, but otherwise is constructed like the Harrison, with the laminated tang.
I think the Fuller improvement was timed to head off the competitors, because the Harrison punch's patent would expire after 17 years!!
My opinion only.

stockman · Post by **stockman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:51 am

Charlie thanks for the information, from what you have said I take it that a knife with this punch was made between 1902 and 1916, unless they used existing punch blades and was made by NYKC. Is my assumption possible?

Thanks
Stockman

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:51 am

Real possible, stock. They didn't waste anything in those days, so I'm sure the old ones lingered for a while, a couple or a few years at the most, IMO. But we'll never know for sure.

stockman · Post by **stockman** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:44 pm

Thanks again Charlie, you are the punch man!

Stockman

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:52 pm

A friend of mine who's grandfather worked for Walden knife just dropped this off with some other stuff he found in Grandpas cabinet that he was cleaning out, he decided to give it to me instead of throwing it out since it was junk. some marked Keen Kutter some not marked assorted sizes. I didn't take pics of the other er junk but thought this shot fit in well with the thread. Some of the other stuff is really amazing. It has been sitting there since he passed away 60 years ago. My friend told me he had to get the rest of the place cleaned up . Being a gentleman I said I was pretty busy but since he was a friend I would make time to help him if he needed a hand. I even poured him a couple of Crowns to ease his wearyness from having to clean up that junk on his own. Amazing aint it. LT

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:10 pm

WoW!!

That picture packs quite a .....er, PUNCH!

Bill

Gunsmoke47 · Post by **Gunsmoke47** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:38 pm

What a wonderful find of JUNK lt!

Sir wolf...... you are crackin me up here

stockman · Post by **stockman** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:52 pm

lt632ret, probably many "O" knives made in grandpa's shop! Some unique.

Stockman

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:23 am

Hello Stockman, You sure ask some good questions. I wish the answers were in are knife books don't you

. I have an OVB with a harrison punch and a 4-line cammilus harness jack with the harrison punch, so my assumption is that new york knife company made knives for cammilus--What DOES EVERYONE ELSE THINK????----Thx Mark

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:34 am

Very nice looking punch blades--I liked the similarities between these and the contract schrade challenge comparison--Thx Mark

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:16 am

How did I miss the second half of this thread??

Musta been sound asleep!!

Rattler, please post pictures of your Harness Jacks. They have something to teach us!!
LT, that is an interesting punch of piles. . .errr . . pile of piles; ummm you know what I mean. It would be nice to Coon-finger and Chicken-eye those for a while!!

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:26 am

Sound asleep lol, The camillus harness jack is out of town right now, but as soon as I get it back here I will post some pics of it--It is very interesting that it has a harrison punch--The only other harness jack I have is that miller bros. That kinda stinks that I only have 2 right!! I would love nothing more than to build a collection of them as you have upnorth--Plse keep me in mind if you come about duplicates, And I will do the same--Thx Mark

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:28 am

NYK made a lot of knives for OVB (Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett).
You see the Harrison punches on OVBs quite regularly.
I'm not aware of Harrison punches on Camillus knives though. I'll have to dig around to see if I have an example.
You do see a lot of punches that look like retro-fits. A couple of good pics would help!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:32 am

Simultaneous posts!!
I'll look forward to your pics Mark.

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:35 am

What are retro-fits, upnorth--Thx Mark

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:40 am

I might be confused here upnorth about the harrison punch blade---I thought it was a 2 piece punch blade whether it had a patent# or not?? I would like confirmation as to a 2 piece punch not marked?? Thx 4 your time upnorth---Thx Mark

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:34 am

Harrison's original 1902 punch design drawings do not appear to have included a laminated tang (two-piece). But the examples I've seen all have that feature. It makes me think that the punch was changed when they started production, because it was easier to forge a big curve in thinner steel. I have seen them marked with the patent number, or the date of patent. I don't recall seeing one with no marks, but there could be some.
J.E.Fuller took the laminated tang design, and added a "spiral" pattern on the back of the punch blade, and got a patent for that in 1916.
Both punches were made at New York Knife Co, to my knowledge.
Schatt & Morgan also patented a laminated tang Punch!! Different than the Harrison and Fuller versions, but a similar idea.

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:43 am

Fantastic, that is what I thought too upnorth, that is why I picked this harness jack up that had that 2 piece punch that is marked camillus, I can't wait to post the pics--Thx for the great info---Thx Mark

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:27 pm

Sorry for the bad pics, need a better camera--Here is an OVB-Hibbard with the harrison punch, thought it might go well with this thread--thx Mark

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:29 pm

more punch blades coming right up

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:16 pm

ratlesnake75 wrote:What are retro-fits, upnorth--Thx Mark

Sorry Mark; I missed this question. By that I mean a punch that is put in later, maybe to replace a blade.

Nice group of knives Mark. The OVB is just like an NYK, which is typical.
What make is the one with the "gimp" shield? Is it an HJ? second last in the bottom pic.

bluerush55 · Post by **bluerush55** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:50 pm

CATTARAUGUS CUTLERY CO. LITTLEVALLEY.
3 3/8 INCHES. 5 5/8 INCHES WITH MAIN BLADE OPEN. BLADE WIDTH PATTERN : UNIQUE THREE BLADE SLEEVEBOARD WHITTLER JACK KNIFE WITH A HARNESS JACK PUNCH BLADE.
AGE : 1886 - 1891.
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN : U.S.A..
GENUINE JIGGED BONE WITH SILVER BOLSTERS AND PINS. BRASS LINERS.
BLADE ETCH AND SHIELD : ODD SHIELD. NO ETCH.

Just wanted to show of this punch on this Cattaragus!

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:58 pm

Hey Charlie, second to last is the miller bros HJ--Thx Mark

philco · Post by **philco** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:02 pm

Bluerush55,
Can you tell me what the shield on that Catt says or can you post a bigger photo? I tried, but I cannot get the picture showing the shield to enlarge when I click on it.
Cool old knife.

Phil

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