Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[steve99f]

Cool oil can. Outers will be a familiar name for fixed blade guys as there is an "outers" pattern knife. Looks like it may be from the 40's or 50's but don't know for sure.

[knife7knut]

Going through my accumulation tonight and re-shooting some pictures for my files and I came across this little gem.It was packed in with a bunch of can openers and knife sharpeners.I bought it because of the name(the Bridgeport Gun & Implement Co.);I have a mahl stick in a 1920's era sign painter's kit made by them and it can also be used as a shotgun barrel cleaner.The mahl stick is used by sign artists to rest their hand on while lettering.It is a 3 section stick with a soft cloth ball on the end.
Anyway this little tool is a cup for measuring out either black powder or shot.There is a scale for each on either side.The cup adjusts up or down by turning it slightly to disengage the pin on the side allowing it to be moved to the setting needed and then it is twisted back to lock it in place. Probably made before 1900.

[Colonel26]

That’s pretty cool Mr. Ray! Now all you need is some all brass hulls, some felt, some card stock, and a little wax and you’re good to go!

[treefarmer]

Ray,
It is interesting to realize gun powder is now measured in grains and your measure is marked in drams. I think it correct to state that black powder was measured by volume and smokeless powder is measured by weight, now usually mention as so many grains (gr.).
It appears shot measurement was and still is referred to in ounces (oz.) according to the markings on the body of the measure.
That is a very neat piece to own!
Treefarmer

[doglegg]

Very, very cool. A museum piece.

[knife7knut]

Ray,
It is interesting to realize gun powder is now measured in grains and your measure is marked in drams. I think it correct to state that black powder was measured by volume and smokeless powder is measured by weight, now usually mention as so many grains (gr.).
It appears shot measurement was and still is referred to in ounces (oz.) according to the markings on the body of the measure.
That is a very neat piece to own!
Treefarmer

You got my curiosity aroused so I checked Wikipedia for the term,"dram" and came away a bit confused. The word itself could also be spelled,"drachm" and at one time meant the same thing. Now a,"dram" is an avoirdupois weight measure equal to 1/256th of a pound or 1/16th of an ounce. A "drachm" is a measure of liquid weight in an apothecary system.They also specified that the former was used to measure black powder charges in shotguns.It made no mention of smokeless powder.I do know the two have quite different burn characteristics.As an ex-ordnanceman I was taught that anything that expanded under a rate of 15,000 fps was a burn and anything above that was an uncontrolled explosion.
EDIT: I also recall that projectiles are measured in grains as well.

[Colonel26]

It’s still pretty common for shotgun shell boxes to list the dram equivalent of their smokeless powder charge.

[OLDE CUTLER]

It’s still pretty common for shotgun shell boxes to list the dram equivalent of their smokeless powder charge.

The "dram equivalent" you are referring to is a comparison of velocity between black powder and smokeless powder shotgun loads. This is something that should have been done away with 100 years ago as numerous people have blown up nice old shotguns by misunderstanding what it meant.

[Colonel26]

It’s still pretty common for shotgun shell boxes to list the dram equivalent of their smokeless powder charge.

The "dram equivalent" you are referring to is a comparison of velocity between black powder and smokeless powder shotgun loads. This is something that should have been done away with 100 years ago as numerous people have blown up nice old shotguns by misunderstanding what it meant.

Yes sir that’s what I was referring too. I’ve never known anyone who actually made that reloading mistake though. But it doesn’t surprise me.

[OLDE CUTLER]

It’s still pretty common for shotgun shell boxes to list the dram equivalent of their smokeless powder charge.

The "dram equivalent" you are referring to is a comparison of velocity between black powder and smokeless powder shotgun loads. This is something that should have been done away with 100 years ago as numerous people have blown up nice old shotguns by misunderstanding what it meant.

Yes sir that’s what I was referring too. I’ve never known anyone who actually made that reloading mistake though. But it doesn’t surprise me.

There was a small gunshop here in Sioux Falls years ago that had a nice old L C Smith shotgun hanging on the wall that some one had blown up. They saw the dram equivalent marking on the box of shells and reloaded them with a dram measure using smokeless powder.. Ouch!

[Colonel26]

The "dram equivalent" you are referring to is a comparison of velocity between black powder and smokeless powder shotgun loads. This is something that should have been done away with 100 years ago as numerous people have blown up nice old shotguns by misunderstanding what it meant.

Yes sir that’s what I was referring too. I’ve never known anyone who actually made that reloading mistake though. But it doesn’t surprise me.

There was a small gunshop here in Sioux Falls years ago that had a nice old L C Smith shotgun hanging on the wall that some one had blown up. They saw the dram equivalent marking on the box of shells and reloaded them with a dram measure using smokeless powder.. Ouch!

Oh no! That hurts my heart! Those old Elsies were fantastic old guns.

[Mumbleypeg]

Have you guys ever noticed how damn expensive are the ammo for those guns? I mean, I understand that guns are already expensive, but sometimes I feel like ammo is the thing that is consuming all my money.

Most things in life are the same way. If you can’t afford to feed it, buy fuel for it, or...............

Ken

[royal0014]

Have you guys ever noticed how damn expensive are the ammo for those guns?

The wife and I were discussing going to a gun show in Columbus this weekend. She asked if they
would have any ammo for her pistol (.357) I replied probably, but it'll be over-priced because, well ... gun show.
She quipped some line about ammo for Valentine's ... and I told her a dozen roses would be cheaper !

[samb1955]

Don't be a tight wad, buy her a box of ammo. She's gonna love you for it.

[edge213]

Have you guys ever noticed how damn expensive are the ammo for those guns?

The wife and I were discussing going to a gun show in Columbus this weekend. She asked if they
would have any ammo for her pistol (.357) I replied probably, but it'll be over-priced because, well ... gun show.
She quipped some line about ammo for Valentine's ... and I told her a dozen roses would be cheaper !

That last show I went to, 9mm was $70 for a box of 50 (standard hardball). And its usually less expensive than. 357.

[samb1955]

$1.14 a round for .223 ain't a good price in my book. When people stop hoarding the prices will go back to normal just like toilet paper did.

[Meridian_Mike]

$1.14 a round for .223 ain't a good price in my book. When people stop hoarding the prices will go back to normal just like toilet paper did.

AGREE!

[Byrd]

Looks like spam to me. No way I'd pay those prices!

[Meridian_Mike]

Looks like spam to me. No way I'd pay those prices!

NOPE

[edge213]

I agree, those prices are as crazy as everywhere else.

[wv trapper]

I work one day a week at a local gun shop, we got in six cases of Federal 115 gr 9mm brass cases FMJ this morning, 16.99 a box of fifty. Federal .380 was 25.99 a box of fifty and Blazer 10mm box of fifty 26.99 a box of fifty. The owner of the shop did limit two boxes per customer, they were selling like hot cakes.

[edge213]

I work one day a week at a local gun shop, we got in six cases of Federal 115 gr 9mm brass cases FMJ this morning, 16.99 a box of fifty. Federal .380 was 25.99 a box of fifty and Blazer 10mm box of fifty 26.99 a box of fifty. The owner of the shop did limit two boxes per customer, they were selling like hot cakes.

It will be nice to see prices like that again.
Prices around here are no where near that.

[samb1955]

Around here in most cases you have to buy a gun to buy ammo.

[OLDE CUTLER]

Have you guys ever noticed how damn expensive are the ammo for those guns? I mean, I understand that guns are already expensive, but sometimes I feel like ammo is the thing that is consuming all my money.

I was so relieved that my friend has showed me a great place where you can buy some [link deleted] great quality ammo for your guns[/url]. Not only that I’ve already reduced my expenses on the guns I have, but also the quality there is just amazing. I sometimes even feel like I gave a better aim when I use their ammunition. Strongly recommended! Also, I would be very happy to make this place more popular because they deserve it, they really do!

Just out of curiosity, have you bought from them? They are in Lexington Ky and you are in Glasgow, Scotland and I am wondering about shipping?

[Meridian_Mike]

Just out of curiosity, have you bought from them? They are in Lexington Ky and you are in Glasgow, Scotland and I am wondering about shipping?

WOW.... international shipping of AMMO and all the other costs of getting ammo out of the country must be KILLER.