Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[Byrd]

Got together with a buddy to burn some black! He shot his custom flintlock and I dialed in my new Pedersoli caplock. It was a good day in the woods!

[Quick Steel]

Very cool Byrd. Great looking guns.

[Colonel26]

Very cool Byrd!

Remind me, what caliber is yours?

[Byrd]

Mine's a .45. I sighted it in with 45 grains of powder using a patched round ball. Very pleasant and accurate load. My friends fainter is a .60 caliber that he had a local builder make for him.

[Colonel26]

Mine's a .45. I sighted it in with 45 grains of powder using a patched round ball. Very pleasant and accurate load. My friends fainter is a .60 caliber that he had a local builder make for him.

Both a very cool!

[WillyCamaro]

Very nice black powder's Byrd, any plans on snagging a .58 musket?

[WillyCamaro]

I haven't been on this thread very much so I thought I would share this.
I received this new holster today. A WINTHROP OWB made in the USA.
The leather is thick and the handgun fits very secure in it.
Anyone have experience with this type or brand?
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I really need this for my pistol, they sure make some sweet lookin options. There "2 Slot" Thumb Break OWB model, light brown, tickles my fancy, especially for the price.
Thank you for sharing David.

[Byrd]

Willy, if the right deal came along I'd jump on it! I have a weakness for these things.

[Papa Bones]

Got together with a buddy to burn some black! He shot his custom flintlock and I dialed in my new Pedersoli caplock. It was a good day in the woods!20201114_120823_HDR.jpg

Good looking Rifle Byrd. Looks lie a fun time was had. It's good to keep those skills tuned. Black powder firearms are a skill and sport unto themselves. They are a lot more accurate than some people give them credit for. You just have to learn your particular rifle. A lot of people buy them, then don't research the proper way to use and maintain them. I've seen several ruined due to people not caring for them properly.

[Byrd]

Agreed Pappa Bones. These aren't for the spray & pray crowd. I got my first in '77 and a lifetime love affair began. Over the years I've built several 1911's and recently several AR's but the Zen of shooting and caring for the front stuffer always called me back.

I'm currently looking for a build project for the winter. Just deciding on what direction to go.

[Papa Bones]

Thought I would show this Old Gal. It is a Springfield produced 1898 Krag which according to the design of the sight, bolt lever and numbers was made in 1902. At 49-1/2 inches from buttplate to muzzle, she is a long girl.

It is chambered in 30-40 Krag or .30 Army Caliber, which is a rimmed cartridge. Back in the '90s when I first purchased this rifle it was hard to find the Ammo, you almost had to reload your own, which I did. But now there are several companies loading this ammo today.

[New_Windsor_NY]

Thought.....

Smitty, that is a BEAUTIFUL looking weapon.
Here are a couple of spent PETERS, U.S.G., .30 or 30 caliber shells.
For those who don't know, U.S.G. = United States Government.

[doglegg]

Awesome old rifle PB. And a very comfortable cartridge.

[Quick Steel]

U.S. forces used the Krag during the Spanish-American war. It was found wanting in comparison to, as I recall, the Spaniards Mauser action rifles, model 1893.

[TwoFlowersLuggage]

Why didn't the military ever officially adopt a lever action repeating rifle? Were they just not powerful enough for military use? They issued a single shot rifle (the 1873 Trapdoor) until 1892, then replaced it with the Krag. I know there were a lot of "unofficial" repeating rifles used by those that could afford to buy them or capture them. Why didn't they adopt the Henry (1860) or the Winchester (1866, 1873, 1892)?

[Papa Bones]

Why didn't the military ever officially adopt a lever action repeating rifle? Were they just not powerful enough for military use? They issued a single shot rifle (the 1873 Trapdoor) until 1892, then replaced it with the Krag. I know there were a lot of "unofficial" repeating rifles used by those that could afford to buy them or capture them. Why didn't they adopt the Henry (1860) or the Winchester (1866, 1873, 1892)?

Politics and cost always seem to be a re-occurring contributor a lot of time in the decisions of Military Arms over the years.

[Papa Bones]

I don't know anyone who has ever said, "I have never like .22 rifles!" All of us and a lot of us, these were probably our first rifles. They have always been fun little rifles and a good way to train in proper firing techniques and sight alignment. All of us (I am sure) have our favorites. I just though I would post a few of mine here.

[Quick Steel]

The reasoning I've read is that the Army board decided they rather have a heavy-hitting rifle that could reach out a considerable distance further than repeaters. This seemed a reasonable view until Custer got swarmed by the Indians, many of whom had lever action rifles.

[Papa Bones]

U.S. forces used the Krag during the Spanish-American war. It was found wanting in comparison to, as I recall, the Spaniards Mauser action rifles, model 1893.

You are correct! Initially The 30-40 Krag design was from a rifle Produced by Krag Jorgenson of Norway. It was using the new smokless powder and had a side loading magazine and would hold 5 rounds that could be topped off without expelling all rounds. It was a great improvement at the time over the falling blocks the military was using. But the Spanish Mauser had a higher velocity bullet and was flatter shooting than the 30-40. This attributed to the short life of use in the military before the Springfield 1903 was adopted.

[TwoFlowersLuggage]

The reasoning I've read is that the Army board decided they rather have a heavy-hitting rifle that could reach out a considerable distance further than repeaters. This seemed a reasonable view until Custer got swarmed by the Indians, many of whom had lever action rifles.

LOL - I will bet that the eyesight of the average trooper in 1870 wasn't very good. I'll bet a lot of them probably needed corrective lenses but went undiagnosed or just couldn't get them. Of course, at the time, sitting in trenches and lobbing shots at the guy in the other trench, then attaching a bayonet and charging was the model for "modern warfare", so maybe that's why they wanted a long gun that shot a long ways.

It's easy for me to be a history backseat driver, but I think Winchester Model 1873 rifles and Colt SAA handguns, both using 44-40 ammo would have been a much better kit for our soldiers. It always seemed to work for John Wayne & Jimmy Stewart!!

[Colonel26]

I don't know anyone who has ever said, "I have never like .22 rifles!" All of us and a lot of us, these were probably our first rifles. They have always been fun little rifles and a good way to train in proper firing techniques and sight alignment. All of us (I am sure) have our favorites. I just though I would post a few of mine here.
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Nice old rifles! I agree about loving the 22s. I’m a sucker for any old lonely 22 sitting on the shelf at the lgs. My boys and I love plinking in the back field.

[Papa Bones]

I don't know anyone who has ever said, "I have never like .22 rifles!" All of us and a lot of us, these were probably our first rifles. They have always been fun little rifles and a good way to train in proper firing techniques and sight alignment. All of us (I am sure) have our favorites. I just though I would post a few of mine here.
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Nice old rifles! I agree about loving the 22s. I’m a sucker for any old lonely 22 sitting on the shelf at the lgs. My boys and I love plinking in the back field.

Appreciate it Colonel. I totally agree, and the most fun you can have is plinking with those young ones and making memories!!

[garddogg56]

Very nice assortment Papa I like to get with my Grandkids once a week for sum .22 time

[WillyCamaro]

"Once one starts down the path of twenty-two's... Forever will they dominate your gun collecting".

[FRJ]

You've got some fine guns there, Smitty.
I had no idea that Daisy made a 22 rifle.
One of Custers biggest problems, as I understand it, is that he left behind, at barracks, two wheel mounted Gatling guns.
Those would have come in real handy. Something like "never underestimate your enemy".