Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[Colonel26]

Same here in KY. Fill out the form and if you don’t have a CCDW, they call in the background check, but if you have a CCDW no background check needed.

[Meridian_Mike]

Same here in KY. Fill out the form and if you don’t have a CCDW, they call in the background check, but if you have a CCDW no background check needed.

YEP....
That is just like ours. EXACTLY....
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Is KY one of the reciprocal CCP states with Mississippi?
There is a pretty good list of reciprocal states.

[Colonel26]

Same here in KY. Fill out the form and if you don’t have a CCDW, they call in the background check, but if you have a CCDW no background check needed.

YEP....
That is just like ours. EXACTLY....
.
Is KY one of the reciprocal CCP states with Mississippi?
There is a pretty good list of reciprocal states.

This is from the Kentucky State Police website that deals with CCDW. Looks like us and y’all have reciprocity.

The blurb that got cut off in that pic dealt with us being a CCDW state (concealed carry deadly weapon) which lets us carry all manner of deadly weapons concealed: guns, automatic knives, brass Knick’s, collapsible batons, etc... its a long list; and other states being concealed firearm only. We have to abide by y’all’s rules when we’re in your house.

[Meridian_Mike]

The blurb that got cut off in that pic dealt with us being a CCDW state (concealed carry deadly weapon) which lets us carry all manner of deadly weapons concealed: guns, automatic knives, brass Knick’s, collapsible batons, etc... its a long list; and other states being concealed firearm only. We have to abide by y’all’s rules when we’re in your house.

Ahhhhh.... I was wondering what the CCDW stood for... deadly weapons.

In some circles, a pencil is a deadly weapon.... does your permit cover those....LOL
(John Wick)

[orvet]

Ahhhhh.... I was wondering what the CCDW stood for... deadly weapons.

In some circles, a pencil is a deadly weapon.... does your permit cover those....LOL
(John Wick)

That is funny, pencils/pens were part of our training in the Marine Corps.
Love John Wick movies... A bit unrealistic but very entertaining.

[Colonel26]

The blurb that got cut off in that pic dealt with us being a CCDW state (concealed carry deadly weapon) which lets us carry all manner of deadly weapons concealed: guns, automatic knives, brass Knick’s, collapsible batons, etc... its a long list; and other states being concealed firearm only. We have to abide by y’all’s rules when we’re in your house.

Ahhhhh.... I was wondering what the CCDW stood for... deadly weapons.

In some circles, a pencil is a deadly weapon.... does your permit cover those....LOL
(John Wick)

Good point. The lic. here let’s you carry about anything and everything.

We have always been an open carry state, so there’s never been a problem open carrying and you see folks doing that some, and I’ve never noticed a problem. On Sundays I normally carry iwb but don’t cover the gun with my shirt, just my suit coat. And if I stop for gas after church I’ll occasionally leave my jacket off and no one has ever cared in the store.

We have no laws about knife carry, except you couldn’t carry automatics without the CCDW. Other than that fixed of any length, or folders of any length were perfectly fine. You did and still do see lots of fixed blades and most everyone carries some kind of pocket knife. Even in schools, you see lots of pocket clips (teachers and students) and it’s not uncommon to see a “folding pencil sharpener” being used. I had student (a girl) gift me a CASE 6318 at the end of the year once, and my students like to show me their latest acquisitions.

A couple of years ago the law changed and if you’re a resident you no longer need a CCDW to carry concealed in the state. But you do need it for reciprocity with other states, so I maintain my license.

[Meridian_Mike]

We have legal open carry here too but you hardly ever see anyone open carry (except law enforcement).
Most restaurants won't let you in with a pistol strapped on (once again, unless you dress in blue).
LOL..... I remember one old fellow that was a gunsmith here in town ALWAYS carried a 1911 cocked and locked on his side. Of course his side of town wasn't exactly a safe place to live. He was a great guy and knew his stuff. My friend and I used to go see him if we needed some smithing work.

[jerryd6818]

In Illinois it's a FOID card (Firearms Owner Identification). (They want to know where to go when they decide to confiscate all guns.) Gotta have one to buy a firearm and then there's a 72 hour waiting period. No open carry, even in your own yard. Need a concealed carry permit to carry concealed but still no open carry.

[Meridian_Mike]

In Illinois it's a FOID card (Firearms Owner Identification). (They want to know where to go when they decide to confiscate all guns.) Gotta have one to buy a firearm and then there's a 72 hour waiting period. No open carry, even in your own yard. Need a concealed carry permit to carry concealed but still no open carry.

We still have a law that helps us with that mess......
We can sell guns to another individual without having to file any paperwork.
Between 2 individuals, "Hand me the money and the gun is yours".
That also works at most tables at a gun show unless the seller is a dealer.
(I have 2 or 3 guys i like to buy from that are NOT dealers.... )

[cudgee]

In Kansas with a CCP it's the same. Show you're lisence and off you go. The stores here are void of shotguns & handguns. Between Covid & BLM riots people are on edge. I was in Cabelas a couple weeks ago and they had few handguns and shotguns. They'd spread them out in the cases to make them look full. They were out of all common pistol ammo and shotgun shells. Glad I stocked up in the last few years.

Growing up in the 60's was the same. Every pickup had a rifle and shotgun in the window rack. As a boy I'd pack a lunch, round up my friend and lay my Mossberg .22 on the handlebars of my bike and head for the country to shoot and play around. If a kid did that today SWAT would be all over him.

So would the media, can you imagine the field day that the press would have with a kid taking a .22 to go and do some plinking or target practice, let alone shoot a rabbit or any kind of vermin.

[Colonel26]

In Illinois it's a FOID card (Firearms Owner Identification). (They want to know where to go when they decide to confiscate all guns.) Gotta have one to buy a firearm and then there's a 72 hour waiting period. No open carry, even in your own yard. Need a concealed carry permit to carry concealed but still no open carry.

We still have a law that helps us with that mess......
We can sell guns to another individual without having to file any paperwork.
Between 2 individuals, "Hand me the money and the gun is yours".
That also works at most tables at a gun show unless the seller is a dealer.
(I have 2 or 3 guys i like to buy from that are NOT dealers.... )

It’s like that here too.

[Colonel26]

In Kansas with a CCP it's the same. Show you're lisence and off you go. The stores here are void of shotguns & handguns. Between Covid & BLM riots people are on edge. I was in Cabelas a couple weeks ago and they had few handguns and shotguns. They'd spread them out in the cases to make them look full. They were out of all common pistol ammo and shotgun shells. Glad I stocked up in the last few years.

Growing up in the 60's was the same. Every pickup had a rifle and shotgun in the window rack. As a boy I'd pack a lunch, round up my friend and lay my Mossberg .22 on the handlebars of my bike and head for the country to shoot and play around. If a kid did that today SWAT would be all over him.

So would the media, can you imagine the field day that the press would have with a kid taking a .22 to go and do some plinking or target practice, let alone shoot a rabbit or any kind of vermin.

I’m a high school teacher in a rural county. With our CCDW laws we can have our firearms in our vehicles at work. I know SEVERAL teachers, administrators, and central office folks who have their firearms in their vehicles.

And I don’t even want to know what is in some of my student’s vehicles during hunting season. I know we have kids come to school in their hunting clothes from hunting in the mornings before school.

[WillyCamaro]

Are gun laws up here in Canada are by far the most restrictive of the whole bunch, even more so then commiefornia.

And this federal government we have is trying to squeeze out all firearms ownership, by circumventing are elected parliament/constitution/laws.

By passing an underhand, "Order In Council", in are (Supposed to be) country of Law and Order.

Just take a quick googlie, and you'll see what i mean...

Thing is,

Because it's not Law, and are constitution is setup in such a way, that it has no legal standing, the province of Ontario, here in Saskatchewan, and Alberta are challenging it to the Supreme Court (much like your Supreme Court in the USA).

On top of the legal challenges, the provinces are taking back control of firearms legislation, going to be appointing are own "Chief Firearms Officer".

And many of the citizens here in Canada are civilly rebelling, and ignoring the OIC.

So you all brothers keep fighting the good fight, hold fast to your Constitution, or you'll end up like us here in Canada...

[Colonel26]

Are gun laws up here in Canada are by far the most restrictive of the whole bunch, even more so then commiefornia.

And this federal government we have is trying to squeeze out all firearms ownership, by circumventing are elected parliament/constitution/laws.

By passing an underhand, "Order In Council", in are (Supposed to be) country of Law and Order.

Just take a quick googlie, and you'll see what i mean...

Thing is,

Because it's not Law, and are constitution is setup in such a way, that it has no legal standing, the province of Ontario, here in Saskatchewan, and Alberta are challenging it to the Supreme Court (much like your Supreme Court in the USA).

On top of the legal challenges, the provinces are taking back control of firearms legislation, going to be appointing are own "Chief Firearms Officer".

And many of the citizens here in Canada are civilly rebelling, and ignoring the OIC.

So you all brothers keep fighting the good fight, hold fast to your Constitution, or you'll end up like us here in Canada...

Well spoken! Keep fighting the good fight.

[zzyzzogeton]

In the spirit of reminisence going on, back in the late 60s and early 70s down here in central Texas, one frequently saw high school aged kids with shotguns and rifles hanging from racks in their pickup windows. 99% of all males carried at least 1pocket knife (I carried 2 from 5th grade on) and 70% of the girls carried one in their purses or jean pockets.

Word would get out that "so-and-so" has a new shotgun/rifle. The only thing the Principal / Ass't Principal / Teachers did was go out to see it. Everyone left their vehicles unlocked and no one ever thought about stealing a weapon from a vehicle.

I, unfortunately, did not have a pickup to display mine in. I had a used 1966 Ford Galaxy 500. Obviously, no pickup window rack would fit. I had to make do with bolting brackets to the underside of my trunk lid.

[samb1955]

Used to be that way here too. Then you would start seeing trucks with the windows broken and the rifles and shotguns weren't being hung in racks anymore. I remember the good old days.

[zzyzzogeton]

A couple of weeks ago, I finally decided to acquire a Glock. I chose to get a G17. Checked the online availability down at the local (to me) Academy 22 miles away. The store website indicated that they did NOT have a G17 in stock, so I looked aroun the site, determined that they had a couple of G19s in stock, so off I go to the store.

Told the gun counter clerk that I was there to buy a G19 since their website said they were out of 17s. We started the paperwork and he went to get a G19 out of the security cabinet.

He said - "Hey, we got a 17 here. You want it or the 19?"

Me - "OK Gimme the 17."

20 minutes later, I'm out the door like a happy camper.

It came w/ 3 mags, but I decided I wanted more. I went on line, found some inexpensive Gen 5 mags. Ordered 3. A couple of hours later I got an "out of stock" notification. So I went to the next best site, ordered 3 more mags. 5 days later, the 2nd order of mags came in. 4 days later, the 3 mags I had ordered from the first site came in - someone forgot to go cancel the order.

OK, so I have 6 extra mags instead of 3. No big deal right?

Last night, I filled all 9 mags while watching TV.

So today I go to my backyard range to give the new 17 a break-in shoot. Ran through the first 3 mags no problem. Went to the 4th mag - the weapon would not load a round? After 10 minutes of trouble shooting, I finally found the problem.....

Some stupid person made 2 separate orders of Gen 5 mags for a ..........

G19.

I guess that means I now have to go find a G19 to go with those magazines.

Oh, and I ordered 3 mags for the G17 this afternoon.

[WillyCamaro]

Yup, that's how they roll ZZ .

[Colonel26]

A couple of weeks ago, I finally decided to acquire a Glock. I chose to get a G17. Checked the online availability down at the local (to me) Academy 22 miles away. The store website indicated that they did NOT have a G17 in stock, so I looked aroun the site, determined that they had a couple of G19s in stock, so off I go to the store.

Told the gun counter clerk that I was there to buy a G19 since their website said they were out of 17s. We started the paperwork and he went to get a G19 out of the security cabinet.

He said - "Hey, we got a 17 here. You want it or the 19?"

Me - "OK Gimme the 17."

20 minutes later, I'm out the door like a happy camper.

It came w/ 3 mags, but I decided I wanted more. I went on line, found some inexpensive Gen 5 mags. Ordered 3. A couple of hours later I got an "out of stock" notification. So I went to the next best site, ordered 3 more mags. 5 days later, the 2nd order of mags came in. 4 days later, the 3 mags I had ordered from the first site came in - someone forgot to go cancel the order.

OK, so I have 6 extra mags instead of 3. No big deal right?

Last night, I filled all 9 mags while watching TV.

So today I go to my backyard range to give the new 17 a break-in shoot. Ran through the first 3 mags no problem. Went to the 4th mag - the weapon would not load a round? After 10 minutes of trouble shooting, I finally found the problem.....

Some stupid person made 2 separate orders of Gen 5 mags for a ..........

G19.

I guess that means I now have to go find a G19 to go with those magazines.

Oh, and I ordered 3 mags for the G17 this afternoon.

ROFL! That sounds exactly like something I would do!

How do you like the 17?

[zzyzzogeton]

Pretty good. Sight picture is easy to line up. First round out of a mag twitches to the left a little (about 2 inches at 7 yards). I'm right-eyed but shoot left-handed. I have short fingers and I think after the first round, somehow my finger takes up a tad of slack automatically when the trigger is pulled back, so the next 9 rounds are on target.

For target shooting, I only put 10 rnds in a rnd mag. I tend to shoot in 5 rnd groups. Easier for me to keep track of rounds fired that way since I got used to the US Navy standard of 5 rnds in a 1911 mag on watch/fam fire/qual shooting. Also, I only load 5 rnds in my wheel guns so that I have the hammer on an empty cylinder.

I usually practice my handgun shooting at 3 distances - 3 yds, 7 yds and 15 yds - the same 3 distances one shoots for passing the Texas LTC license. Today, I put 120 / 120 in the torso of a B27. With the 17, my 3 yd spread was 3", at 7 yds the spread was 6 inches and at 15 yds, about 12 inches. Not the greatest accuracy at distance, but not bad for the first time shooting the 17. The groups will tighten up as the gun wears in and I get more comfortable with it. I mean to say, since I can put 45ACP from a 1911 into a 7 inch group at 15 yds, I know I can tighten it up on a 9mm.

I have never seen the reasoning about why the 3rd distance for an LTC is 15 yds / 45 feet. If you're that far away, you should not be needing a SD weapon unless they are pointing a rifle at you or the target density is high. I can see the reasoning behind the other 2 distances, since most situations are 10 feet or less and the 21 foot rule is a real thing.

[Colonel26]

Pretty good. Sight picture is easy to line up. First round out of a mag twitches to the left a little (about 2 inches at 7 yards). I'm right-eyed but shoot left-handed. I have short fingers and I think after the first round, somehow my finger takes up a tad of slack automatically when the trigger is pulled back, so the next 9 rounds are on target.

For target shooting, I only put 10 rnds in a rnd mag. I tend to shoot in 5 rnd groups. Easier for me to keep track of rounds fired that way since I got used to the US Navy standard of 5 rnds in a 1911 mag on watch/fam fire/qual shooting. Also, I only load 5 rnds in my wheel guns so that I have the hammer on an empty cylinder.

I usually practice my handgun shooting at 3 distances - 3 yds, 7 yds and 15 yds - the same 3 distances one shoots for passing the Texas LTC license. Today, I put 120 / 120 in the torso of a B27. With the 17, my 3 yd spread was 3", at 7 yds the spread was 6 inches and at 15 yds, about 12 inches. Not the greatest accuracy at distance, but not bad for the first time shooting the 17. The groups will tighten up as the gun wears in and I get more comfortable with it. I mean to say, since I can put 45ACP from a 1911 into a 7 inch group at 15 yds, I know I can tighten it up on a 9mm.

I have never seen the reasoning about why the 3rd distance for an LTC is 15 yds / 45 feet. If you're that far away, you should not be needing a SD weapon unless they are pointing a rifle at you or the target density is high. I can see the reasoning behind the other 2 distances, since most situations are 10 feet or less and the 21 foot rule is a real thing.

Yes sir, I agree on the distance thing and the 21 feet rule.

Do you find the Glock shoots high for you? I've shot a couple of them. My wife had a double stack baby Glock for. a while and it was ridiculously reliable, but I tended to shoot it high because of that crazy hump at the bottom of the grip, and I've heard others say the same thing. But my neighbor a Kentucky State Trooper had the full size .40 and I shot it much better. I'm a 1911 .45acp shooter and both of mine have the flat main spring housing, so that may be what's throwing me off.

I ask because I have been considering either a 19 or 17 just to have a 9mm around.

[zzyzzogeton]

I don't think so, but then I've only put 120 rnds through it and 40 of those were at 15 yds. The 3 yd and 7 yd "seemed" to going more or less where I aimed them, but I only had 1 B27. I used that for the 50 I used to simulate the LTC shoot. After that I used 9 inch paper plates stapled to my target frame to give me am approximately 16x16 clean area where I drew a soda can circle in the middle for the 15 yd shots, and single paper plates for the 3 yd and 7 yd runs. I mean, why waste paper plates if 1 will do.

[Mumbleypeg]

When I decided several years ago to move from a 1911 to a polymer pistol for EDC, I drove an hour to a range that has a wide variety of rentals available. In fact it’s hard to find a popular handgun they don’t have. On recommendations from a couple of LEO friends and my son, I was inclined toward a Glock when I started. My son is also big on H&K and Sig.

After two trips to that range, and several hundred rounds through a dozen different handguns including a couple of revolvers, the biggest thing I learned is I can’t hit the proverbial broad side of a barn with a Glock. Great pistols obviously, but something about them, I think it’s the grip angle, just doesn’t work for me.

Ken

[Colonel26]

When I decided several years ago to move from a 1911 to a polymer pistol for EDC, I drove an hour to a range that has a wide variety of rentals available. In fact it’s hard to find a popular handgun they don’t have. On recommendations from a couple of LEO friends and my son, I was inclined toward a Glock when I started. My son is also big on H&K and Sig.

After two trips to that range, and several hundred rounds through a dozen different handguns including a couple of revolvers, the biggest thing I learned is I can’t hit the proverbial broad side of a barn with a Glock. Great pistols obviously, but something about them, I think it’s the grip angle, just doesn’t work for me.

Ken

Ken, they surely are different. I'm not knocking their quality at all, even though some of my friends and I do enjoy ribbing each other over the Glock v. 1911 thing.

A couple of friends of mine who love 1911's and hate Glocks have really become enamored with the Sig p320. I need to go handle one of them.

[Mumbleypeg]

When I decided several years ago to move from a 1911 to a polymer pistol for EDC, I drove an hour to a range that has a wide variety of rentals available. In fact it’s hard to find a popular handgun they don’t have. On recommendations from a couple of LEO friends and my son, I was inclined toward a Glock when I started. My son is also big on H&K and Sig.

After two trips to that range, and several hundred rounds through a dozen different handguns including a couple of revolvers, the biggest thing I learned is I can’t hit the proverbial broad side of a barn with a Glock. Great pistols obviously, but something about them, I think it’s the grip angle, just doesn’t work for me.

Ken

Ken, they surely are different. I'm not knocking their quality at all, even though some of my friends and I do enjoy ribbing each other over the Glock v. 1911 thing.

A couple of friends of mine who love 1911's and hate Glocks have really become enamored with the Sig p320. I need to go handle one of them.

That’s why I always encourage folks interested in purchasing a handgun to first go to a range where they can “test drive” before they buy. If I had just listened to advice from friends I would have bought a Glock, and discovered afterward that I couldn’t shoot it worth a flip. A lot of money for something that wouldn’t work for me. Instead I found what I shoot reasonably well, have confidence in and reliably goes bang, every time I pull the trigger.

That’s the only advice I give regarding handguns. I don’t knock any brand - I’m not smart enough to know anything except what works for me. I do enjoy it when I go to the range, shoot other handguns and compare my results and experiences using them. There’s a lot of really good platforms available.

Ken