Schrade Cut. Co. 2-1/4" lobster knives. Small in stature. Extra portion of fancy.

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

This forum is dedicated to the knives that are the legacy of this company. This forum is not the place to discuss the replica knives currently being imported using the Schrade name.
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I've been collecting Schrade steadily for over a decade now. The realization that all the knives I saw growing up in the '70s and '80s were still easily available through online auctions got me hooked. I started buying all the patterns I remembered from my youth. That meant a lot of delrin Old Timers and Uncle Henrys.

I still love these great "working" knives. They get the job done every time. Over the years though I find my "safe-queen" collecting habits have changed somewhat. The old Cut Co gents knives have become a real focus and these days I usually buy unused Schrade knives with stag, pearl, bone or metal handles.

This next group-in-progress took a number of years to put together. I hope it will continue to grow. They are all Schrade Cut. Co. 2-1/4" lobsters. No two are the same. Model numbers are along the lines of 7606, 7606sha, 8606 etc where pearl is concerned. The corrugated sterling silver one is a C7609SS. Two are SFOs stamped E. Weck. Only one came in it's original leather purse. It houses the sterling silver knife.

Obviously, I'm really liking this pattern. I need to add some pearl 4-blade examples but they are quite difficult to find. I'd say the 2-blade with shackle 7606sha is/was the most common variation. Doubling the blades would really raise the manufacturing cost of an already expensive little knife.

If you take the time to really dig through all the available Schrade catalogs you find a repeated pattern of inaccuracy. Often when a pattern had slight changes over the years the picture in the catalogs wasn't updated. An example is the 4-pin to 3-pin configuration change in the LB7 Bear Paw. The catalog picture wasn't immediately updated. It showed four pins until the 1991 catalog. The actual change had already happened about 10 years earlier around 1981.

I mention this tendency because it helps to establish what I think is the oldest knife in the group. It is the pearl knife at the top right with five pins showing. The earliest Schrade catalog we have to reference is the 1926 Catalog E. It lists the different variations of these tiny lobsters on pages 40 and 41.

Here's the listing for the 7606sha:
7606 - 1926 catalog pg 40.jpg
It illustrates a knife with 5 visible pins. As in my group, none of the other cataloged variations have this illustrated. The others all show 4 visible pins.

This 5-pin knife is also very different in that it has no liners whatsoever. The descriptions speak of these pearl knives having milled liners and the other five examples match. My working theory at this point is that my 5-pin knife is an earlier discontinued variation that morphed into the 7606sha when liners were added. I think Schrade just kept showing the old picture when the newer 7606 with 4-pins and liners was added to their lineup. Even the much later 1940 catalog illustrates the 7606 as being a 5-pin knife. I think the 7606 had 4-pins for many years during which the catalog displayed this inaccuracy.

That's my theory anyway. For sure they are all 1946 or earlier. I have a 1915 dated Cut Co senator with the straight-line stamping. I think the MOP 5-pin lobster with no liners is likely just as old. The stamps look just about the same.

Whew! All that build up for three pics. I hope they don't disappoint.
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Here's a pic of three lined up. The 4-pin 7606 and 8606 bookends have liners the center mystery 5-pin does not.
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All that pearl - wow! Amazing you put together so many examples that survived this long intact. I've got just one and it's a little rough. I haven't seen it in the catalogs but if it was there it would be a S8609GOLD SHAC.
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BC that's an amazing colection!! I wonder if that center 5th pin has something to do with the fact that the knife has no liners. I think on the knives with liners they anchored the spring assembly in place before the pearl was attached by putting a pin in the center of the liners only. Like a skeleton assembly. Then they attached the pearl with the blade pins, possibly using adhesive to temporarily hold it in place. If you have no liner, as is the case with the bare pearl and the sterling knife, you have to anchor the springs through the entire handle. That's just an educated guess though, I'm going to have to find an old beat up example and do a little dissection. That knife that they used for the catalog cut might have inadvertently been a linerless one like yours.

Jason's gold example is also a skeleton assembly where everything is pinned through the liner and then the gold plated "cap" is snapped over the entire assembly.

The interesting thing about the shields on a lot of these old pearl knives is that they were pinned through the pearl only, not through the liner. I have a few old NYK pearl covers that are shielded, I'll try to remember to post a pic tomorrow.

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Amazing collection of intact pearl! ::tu::
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Very nice, Bladecollector! I have only one pearl lobster and it's a remington with milled liners also. How many years did it take you to put all those pearls together? I like schrades also. But everyone else does too. Nice ones are getting scarce and pricey and the craftsmanship is top quality. Thank you for showing them. randy
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jxr1197 wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:08 am All that pearl - wow! Amazing you put together so many examples that survived this long intact...
Your knife is a great variation as well that I will be on the watch for. Thanks for adding it!

ea42 wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:38 am BC that's an amazing colection!! I wonder if that center 5th pin has something to do with the fact that the knife has no liners...
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Thanks for bringing your practiced knife-maker skills to the discussion! I was focusing on how the pins and catalog cuts might give us an indication of age. Why they are there is another interesting discussion.

You clearly and concisely described what I observed when handling them. The 5th visible pin in the center appears to go all the way through the knife (as is the case with the other 4 pins). I too surmised the 5th pin was always present to hold the liners tight to the springs but that it's hidden under the slabs.

Thanks for detailing the various construction methods. When I first bought the sterling knife I expected the "cap"-type construction found on Jason's knife, the Fortune knife, a number of sterling senators etc. When it arrived and I discovered that the handles were much thicker plates of solid silver I was pleasantly surprised.

Here's a pic of the file well on the two liner-less knives. It highlights the similarities between the two and the solid slab construction of the sterling knife.
no liner knives - file well comparison x1200w.jpg
orvet wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:38 pm Amazing collection of intact pearl! ::tu::
Thanks Dale!

clockman wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:38 pm Very nice, Bladecollector! I have only one pearl lobster and it's a remington with milled liners also. How many years did it take you to put all those pearls together? I like schrades also. But everyone else does too. Nice ones are getting scarce and pricey and the craftsmanship is top quality. Thank you for showing them. randy
Thanks Randy! I was actually pretty lucky in putting together this group. I think it only took about two years. Once I got the first one I was dedicated though. I bought just about every nice example there was during that time. How many online listings did I sift through to find them? At least a thousand a day so more than 730,000 listings. ::facepalm::

Due to the enthusiastic response I took a pic of the pile side of these knives. They are arranged as if you were looking at the same group from below. I changed the angle at which the knives were laid on the scanner bed and it lit up the pearl even better this time.
Schrade Cut Co x60x lobsters - closed - pile.jpg
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Bladecorrectorr, nice collection, group of clear pictures, and narrative.

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Very nice posts and knives, Bladecollectorr! Those little guys are just as much fun as the big boys.
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Great show, bladecollectorr.
A pleasure to view your nice photos.
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I have 3 of these small Schrade Cut Co Lobster knives.
The imitation ivory knife was one of my first ebay purchases. It looks like genuine ivory but i believe it to be man made substance.
The 2 blade pearl lobster has "34/225" on the back tang. Unusual to see numbers on a Cut Co. knife
The 3 blade pearl has milled liners.
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kootenay joe wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:20 pm I have 3 of these small Schrade Cut Co Lobster knives.
The imitation ivory knife was one of my first ebay purchases. It looks like genuine ivory but i believe it to be man made substance.
The 2 blade pearl lobster has "34/225" on the back tang. Unusual to see numbers on a Cut Co. knife
The 3 blade pearl has milled liners.
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Thanks for adding your examples to this thread kj!

It is indeed unusual to see those number stamps on the rear tang of Cut Co knives. I know they have been commented on before but no one seems to know exactly what they meant. Encrypted model #? Date code? Employee responsible for Q&A? I think it's still a mystery.

Regarding the seven I have only one has that type of stamp. It is the S8606Shac "Scissors Knife". It was first listed in the 1936 supplement. I have a sneaking suspicion that regardless of what those stamps may mean their very presence would date Cut Co knives to the same period. I'm thinking only late 1930s because of the S8606Shac and their relative rarity. That's my best guess.
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I really like seeing your 3-blade 8606. My group is missing one of those. Here's the 1926 catalog listing for the 8606.
8606 - 1926 catalog.jpg

Like K-Mart did for their SFOs from Schrade many years later, I've noticed E.Weck seems to have often ordered knives that were just a little different than what Schrade was offering in their catalogs. K-Mart would flip "Schrade Scrimshaw" artwork placement and model numbers around. Made their knives recognizable as a K-Mart only offering.

E.Weck seemed to do the same sometimes. I've been referring to my 3-blade E. Weck knife as an "8606" because it helps my brain to call it something. It certainly doesn't match the catalog but it is a "60" pattern knife with 3 blades, milled liners and MOP handles.

As in your example, the cataloged 8606 had two smaller cutting blades up top and a full-length file on the bottom. My E.Weck has a full-length cutting blade on top and a smaller cutting blade and file on the bottom. They just switched it up a little bit and I suspect it suddenly became an "E. Weck Exclusive!". This knife does have a "315" number stamp on the rear tang but I think that's the E. Weck model number.
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Two brief comments. Whenever there is a number on a Schrade Cutlery Company knife, I believe it to be a SFO #, as per Keen Kutter for instance. Secondly, Sears Craftsman is well known for specifying their own special tweaks, and, as preferred customers of Schrade Walden and Ulster, they sometimes were the first customers to get a new pattern introduced to the public, not to mention the exclusives.
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tongueriver wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:29 pm Two brief comments. Whenever there is a number on a Schrade Cutlery Company knife, I believe it to be a SFO #, as per Keen Kutter for instance. Secondly, Sears Craftsman is well known for specifying their own special tweaks, and, as preferred customers of Schrade Walden and Ulster, they sometimes were the first customers to get a new pattern introduced to the public, not to mention the exclusives.
For sure. My understanding is Sears was customer #1 for Schrade for a long while. They got a lot of Sears-only stuff made up over the course of many, many years. An even better example.
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tongueriver wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:29 pm ...Whenever there is a number on a Schrade Cutlery Company knife, I believe it to be a SFO #, as per Keen Kutter for instance...
Just to be clear... You think my particular S8606shac was a bulk SFO for a big customer due to the 39 over 350 stamp on the rear tang? You think other "normal" factory production S8606shac knives made at the same time were being shipped to smaller (or less picky) customers without the extra numerical rear tang stamp?

Thanks for any clarification.
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That is my guess. I am a guesser. At one time I had a lot of facts but my Goodwife has informed me that they are actually something called 'opinions.'
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Love this thread but can't help posting one that is a little larger; I think it is maybe ok here?
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tongueriver wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:54 pm That is my guess. I am a guesser. At one time I had a lot of facts but my Goodwife has informed me that they are actually something called 'opinions.'
I got ya. Maybe I can find some matching 5 digit part numbers as I continue to wade through knife trivia. I will keep it in mind in the future.

tongueriver wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:01 pm Love this thread but can't help posting one that is a little larger; I think it is maybe ok
Hey now! I'll see your 8653T and raise you a shackle and some on-topic SFO stamping. It's an E.Weck 311!
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tongueriver wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:39 pm I am pleased to be termed a squirrel. One step up from pack rat?
Lol. :lol:
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Schrade Cut Co made quite a variety of small lobster patterns as well as small pen knives and most of those still around show signs of use. I wonder why in the time before WW II so many people would carry and use a small 'dressy' knife ? Today there is little use for them and you rarely see any manufacturer making them.
Is my imitation ivory lobster the only 4 blade example in AAPK collections ? Wonder if they are more rare (the 4 bladers) ?
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kootenay joe wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:38 am ...I wonder why in the time before WW II so many people would carry and use a small 'dressy' knife ?
Is my imitation ivory lobster the only 4 blade example in AAPK collections ? Wonder if they are more rare (the 4 bladers) ?
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I think the reason lots of folks used to carry these knives compared with now boils down to one word: fashion.

I read somewhere that we reached "peak beard" about 2016 but I still see lots of Millennials and Gen Z with huge 1800s style beards and a man-bun hairstyle that only really works if you're a samurai. Why do they carry a iphone and vape instead of a pen-knife? Knives are bad, m'kay. Staring at your phone is cool.

I actually mentioned in the OP that the four-blade models are harder to find. I'm always on the lookout for an unused 9606sha but I have never even seen one come up for auction, let alone find one at a deal price. I think I can recall seeing only one celluloid knife (like yours) in good condition. I think they are more rare because at four blades they are becoming a bit redundant and because of cost.

Here are some snips from the 1932 pricelist.
7606 etc 1932 pricelist.jpg
9606 1932 pricelist.jpg
Take note that the pearl 7606sha was the same price as the sterling silver C7609SS Sha. $20 (a dozen) in 1932 adjusted for inflation is $352.00 today or about $30 per knife wholesale. The 9606 is $24/dozen compared with $18/dozen for the 7606. The extra two blades boosted the cost by 33% making an already expensive knife even more expensive.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the above post. In the chart you posted what does the first number refer to ? i.e. for the 9606 it shows "40".
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kootenay joe wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:35 pm Very interesting. Thanks for the above post. In the chart you posted what does the first number refer to ? i.e. for the 9606 it shows "40".
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First number is catalog page number (including the supplement extensions which kept numbering forward). Page 40 is in the original 1926 catalog E. By the time you hit page 81 you are into the first page of the 1930 supplement.
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Thanks. There is always more to learn, especially when you start forgetting what you once knew.
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kootenay joe wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:38 am ...I wonder why in the time before WW II so many people would carry and use a small 'dressy' knife ? Today there is little use for them and you rarely see any manufacturer making them...
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Another big reason many people (men) carried these small gents knives (with shackles) was because they were made before the wristwatch was in use. Pocket-watches were often attached to a chain and one of these classy little knives would go on the other end of the chain, as was the fashion.

Once the wristwatch replaced the pocket-watch, shackles pretty much disappeared. These fine knives would get wrecked on a key-chain. The shackle no longer made sense and the tiny fob knives faded into the past.


I took many more pictures of these knives so I may as well keep posting the eye-candy.


More pics of the 5-pin, no-liners variation:
7--6sha 01 closed - mark_resize.jpg
7--6sha 02 closed - pile_resize.jpg
7--6sha 03 open - mark - Copy_resize.jpg
7--6sha 04 open - pile_resize.jpg
7--6sha 06 main blade well_resize.jpg
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As compared to the 3-blade E. Weck SFO version:
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