Old and Obscure Brands

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John it reminded me of this Wester Brothers I have with pressed stag handles.
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Lovely knives, John and Lloyd!! ::tu:: ::tu::
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danno50 wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 3:49 pm Lovely knives, John and Lloyd!! ::tu:: ::tu::
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Thanks Dan & Ike ::tu:: Thanks Mike L. for your additional input on the handles! I have heard them called pressed horn and pressed stag. Are you saying that the process starts with horn and when press molded the end result is the stag horn gnarly look? Because it looks like stag people just assume the original material to begin with was stag? I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that pressed stag is real, but is a lesser quality stag that when steamed and pressed with some type of mold it results in the appearance of gnarly, barky stag.
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Geo.S.Saunders & Co.4 1/4" toenail made by Napanoch.Goins shows Boston Massachusetts 1895- 1920.
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Great knife Rodger.
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Thanks!
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Very nice Roger great find ::tu:: ::tu::
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That's stunning, Roger!!! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
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Outstanding Folder Roger! That is some great looking bone jigging combining elements of several different types ::tu::
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Thanks guys.
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peanut740 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:37 pm Geo.S.Saunders & Co.4 1/4" toenail made by Napanoch.Goins shows Boston Massachusetts 1895- 1920.
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Roger, I do believe that is the prettiest bone I've ever seen !!
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Dang Roger your Napanoch made elephant toe is real beauty. I want to thank you for all the posting you do for us here on AAPK. You have a collection to be proud of. Thanks Steve B.
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Thanks David,Chris and Steve.The old stuff is what floats my boat.
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Very nice Roger ::tu::
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Great looking knife Roger!
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Duffer wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 11:12 pm Thanks Dan & Ike ::tu:: Thanks Mike L. for your additional input on the handles! I have heard them called pressed horn and pressed stag. Are you saying that the process starts with horn and when press molded the end result is the stag horn gnarly look? Because it looks like stag people just assume the original material to begin with was stag? I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that pressed stag is real, but is a lesser quality stag that when steamed and pressed with some type of mold it results in the appearance of gnarly, barky stag.
Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this. I have always thought these types of handles were pressed horn and sometimes pressed Tortoise like some very old straight razors are. I thought I was told that or read it somewhere but could not remember or find the article. I asked Bernard Levine because I thought it was in one of his books. I sent him a picture of the knife and he came back with the comment below.

"That is a type of European stag. I don't know what species, but it was also used in England."


He also sent along some info on pressed horn, link is below. It's long but very interesting reading. Bottom line is that the handles are a species of Stag, I was wrong in thinking that they were pressed horn. The Torrey English Jack I have has the same type handles and I now know they are stag and not pressed horn.

https://plastiquarian.com/?page_id=14337
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galvanic1882 wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:01 pm
Duffer wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 11:12 pm Thanks Dan & Ike ::tu:: Thanks Mike L. for your additional input on the handles! I have heard them called pressed horn and pressed stag. Are you saying that the process starts with horn and when press molded the end result is the stag horn gnarly look? Because it looks like stag people just assume the original material to begin with was stag? I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that pressed stag is real, but is a lesser quality stag that when steamed and pressed with some type of mold it results in the appearance of gnarly, barky stag.
Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this. I have always thought these types of handles were pressed horn and sometimes pressed Tortoise like some very old straight razors are. I thought I was told that or read it somewhere but could not remember or find the article. I asked Bernard Levine because I thought it was in one of his books. I sent him a picture of the knife and he came back with the comment below.

"That is a type of European stag. I don't know what species, but it was also used in England."


He also sent along some info on pressed horn, link is below. It's long but very interesting reading. Bottom line is that the handles are a species of Stag, I was wrong in thinking that they were pressed horn. The Torrey English Jack I have has the same type handles and I now know they are stag and not pressed horn.

https://plastiquarian.com/?page_id=14337

Mike, it makes sense, if they were horn I would expect to see bug damage on some of these old ones.
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Thanks Mike and John for your input—much appreciated ::tu:: Thanks additionally Mike for asking BL and for posting the article!
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Beautiful toenail, Roger, great bone! ::tu::
Thanks for information, Mike. I had also always mistakenly thought that handles like the ones on John's and Lloyd's knives were pressed horn. I am sure there is a thread somewhere on here that has a fairly extensive discussion of this topic, but, I can't locate it. Below is a link to an article, by Jim Taylor, that has some discussion of pressed horn being used for cutlery handles.
http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/horn.html
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Roger, nice Toe Nail. Bone looks to me like Robeson, it is really nice.

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That e-toe is a great knife, thanks for posting it! ::tu::
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JohnR wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:21 pm
galvanic1882 wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:01 pm
Duffer wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 11:12 pm Thanks Dan & Ike ::tu:: Thanks Mike L. for your additional input on the handles! I have heard them called pressed horn and pressed stag. Are you saying that the process starts with horn and when press molded the end result is the stag horn gnarly look? Because it looks like stag people just assume the original material to begin with was stag? I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that pressed stag is real, but is a lesser quality stag that when steamed and pressed with some type of mold it results in the appearance of gnarly, barky stag.
Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this. I have always thought these types of handles were pressed horn and sometimes pressed Tortoise like some very old straight razors are. I thought I was told that or read it somewhere but could not remember or find the article. I asked Bernard Levine because I thought it was in one of his books. I sent him a picture of the knife and he came back with the comment below.

"That is a type of European stag. I don't know what species, but it was also used in England."


He also sent along some info on pressed horn, link is below. It's long but very interesting reading. Bottom line is that the handles are a species of Stag, I was wrong in thinking that they were pressed horn. The Torrey English Jack I have has the same type handles and I now know they are stag and not pressed horn.

https://plastiquarian.com/?page_id=14337

Mike, it makes sense, if they were horn I would expect to see bug damage on some of these old ones
That was what always bothered me about pressed stag being horn John, no bug holes. I still wonder why none was imported for use on American manufactured knives. Gotta believe something. :) :

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I'm pretty sure that this knife belongs here. It is a, 1915-1920, A. KASTOR & BROS - NEW YORK, bone handles, single blade, 1 tool, Coca Cola pocket knife with bottle opener/cap lifter. Goins says it's a wire cutter. It has two tang stamps. A KASTOR (over) & BROS (over) NEW YORK and on the other side, COCA COLA (over) BOTTLING CO. The graphics are still very legible. I just wiped off the handles, took some pictures and here it is.
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