West-Cut Fixed Blade Restoration

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West-Cut Fixed Blade Restoration

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Anyone who has read many of my posts knows that I am a fan of Western Cutlery in their carbon steel. I don’t know what their secret was but they seem to have made the best carbon steel that was produced in the 20th century. So any time I see a Western knife that needs a little TLC I feel moved to take action. Such was the case when I found this West-Cut with the blade that had been ground on with a grinder and in need of a sheath. The original handles on this knife were in decent shape. They were so heavy and so hard I thought they were bone until I took a closer look at them. They turned out to be some sort of black composite so I decided to get rid of them also.

I did quite a bit of sanding on the blade to remove the majority of the grind marks. I felt if I sanded too much more I would remove a great deal of the knife’s history but also too much blade!

The new handles were white camel bone that I put through an experimental dying process. I was going for an Appaloosa bone look, more like what you see on the rear handle. The bone on the front handle was much denser than the bone on the rear. One of the unique characteristics of bone is that two scales cut from the same bone can have different densities and therefore absorb the dye differently giving each a look and even color. The fact that each handle is different adds to the character of the knife in my opinion, though I realize many people may not share my view.

The sheath I made from a pattern based on another Western sheath that was in tatters. The style is what Western calls a flat sheath. It is hand punched, double stitched (by hand) and riveted at the three corners where Western had riveted the old sheath I was using is a pattern. It is heavy-duty and I expect it will last the new owner a lifetime. I did add a couple touches to the strap that were not on the pattern sheath; the longer tag end to make it easier for someone like me with arthritis in their fingers to open the snap and I also covered the back of the snap with leather so that it would not scratch the bone handle.

Well, that’s what I did. I will post some pictures here, as I will be quite interested in your reaction to the bone handles in particular.
Thank you for your feedback!
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The 645 was part of the K-series fixed blades - 1958/1959. The K series was the last grouping to be stamped with the WEST-CUT stamp and was an "economy line" stamp for 1958.

Earlier 1920s/1930s WESTCUT/WEST-CUT/WEST CUT lines were not considered "economy grades".

There was the K1, K2, K3, K5 and the 645. They showed up in the 1958 catalog and were no longer listed in the 1959-1960 catalog.

The K knives all had unfullered blades.
The K1 was identical in size to the L58, but the L58 blade was fullered.
The K2 was essentially the L48A with an unfullered blade.
The K3 was the L48B. Neither came with fullered blades

The Ks have stacked leather handles and only a single pommel pin. No double tang construction for these models. The 645 has some unknown kind of plastic and in some ways pre-saged Western's transition to Delrin scales. Delrin came out in 1960, and Western immediately replaced all stag and bone handles with Delrin, using the model number prefix of "6" for Delrin.

Prior to switching Delrin, Western used "5" for stag and "6" for bone.

For the 645 to come out with plastic handles means that Western was already planning to switch over to some type of plastic as early as 1958.
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I too love Western steel!!

Awesome job Dale!! ::tu::
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You put the keeper strap on "correctly," in my opinion. It opens to the back, so if you are creeping through heavy woods or brush, the strap doesn't get unsnapped by a limb or vine, and you could lose the knife and not notice it. Straps where the tag end is toward the front are inviting this to happen.
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You certainly made it something desirable and useful. Good job.
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Awesome job looks nice I love the look you ended up getting from the camel bone I'm a Western fan too I have a few West-Cut's here is my favorite I believe it is ultra rare the pommel has 2 pins a n n d the guard is nickel silver and I've wondered if the pommel might be also and I think maybe it dates 1928-1931
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Very nice Dale!
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Wow, another winner Dale!
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Airborne Avery wrote:Awesome job looks nice I love the look you ended up getting from the camel bone I'm a Western fan too I have a few West-Cut's here is my favorite I believe it is ultra rare the pommel has 2 pins a n n d the guard is nickel silver and I've wondered if the pommel might be also and I think maybe it dates 1928-1931
Let's try to narrow it down a little bit. It appears to me to be 1 of 3 possible models.

What is the blade length and the overall length? That's going to be the tell.

It is not from 1928 to 1931 if it has the double pinned pommel. That first appears in 1931.

If it does NOT have "PAT APP'L FOR" (1931 to 1932) or "PAT PEND" (late 1932 to 1933), then it is 1934 or later. None of the 1931 to 1935 knives had that profile/apparent BL.

My guess is it's going to be from 1936 to 1940, or 1941.
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The blade is4.75 handle 4.25 ins. No patent stamps, so like you said it could be 1936-40-41
I really appreciate you taking your time to let me know this I been collecting Westerns for a couple years now and trying to learn about them I sure wish they could have stayed in business like Case managed to do. I like Case that's what I started collecting but then there's Western and they are the majority of my collection now thanks again and take care
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Dale this knife looks like the 549 on page 134 of the knife makers who went West from the 1941 catalog pictures
It has a 4 and 3/4 inch blade And 549 says 5 each But 543 says 4 and 3/4 and is 8 and 1/2 inches long this one is 9" long and looks more like the 549 then the 543 so I will lean towards 1941 549 in a west-cut model with decorated stag handle let me know what you think, thanks
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What an opportune moment for someone to bring this whole topic back to life!
I was going to start a new topic for a West-Cut restoration but this one has lots of good information in it about the West-Cuts, so I will just add this knife to my old topic.

I picked up this West-Cut K-5 at a flea market. It has a leather ring handle and appears to have one pin through the aluminum birds head pommel. OAL is 8-5/8" in the blade length is 4-3/8". According to Harvey Platts book, the 1958 catalog reprint, (page 160 in "The Knife Makers Who Went West"), the OAL should be 8-3/4" and the blade should be 4-1/2". Obviously this knife has been sharpened down by 1/8 of an inch.
When I purchased it at the flea market, it appeared the leather rings had been replaced and had not been sanded down smoothly. The leather was rough and unfinished. The blade had obviously seen some time on a grinder, belt sander or Dremel tool (perhaps all three), none of which were blade friendly.

I am not a huge fan of a lot of sanding/buffing on knives, but some times you have to do so to make a blade presentable or even usable.
I hand sanded the leather handle to shape it, dyed it with a light brown dye and then sealed the leather with Gum Tragacanth.
I was not able to remove all of the scratches from the blade, but it is about an 80% improvement over what it was when I started. (I didn't take any before pictures because I was just testing a method of hand sanding the blade. Frankly, I think I was going to have the success I did with this method.)

I used a piece of micarta about 1 1/4" wide and about 12" long and I had a piece of heavy leather glued to the top of this piece of micarta. I used shop roll sandpaper clamped onto the micarta and I sanded the blade by hand, sliding the blade across the sandpaper. I started with 120 grit and worked up to 600 grit. I did do a little bit afterwards with a ScotchBrite wheel, but just in an attempt to give it an even scratch pattern in the same direction, which really wasn't successful.
I was able to straighten the aluminum guard somewhat, but it's impossible to take all of the bends out of a piece of aluminum it seems.

My goal was not to restore this knife to like new condition, (I don't think that is possible), but to restore the knife to a functional and usable state, hopefully with a greater measure of presentability. Since it didn't come with a sheath I purchased from eBay.
Is the knife a collectible piece? I suppose that depends on whom you talk to. I think the knife is once again both functional and usable.

I welcome your comments.
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Avery, that is awesome West-Cut! It's the first one I have seen that apparently has a bifurcated tang. I was also unaware of Western using nickel silver on their guards or pommels. This is also the first one I've seen where they have split the handle material in the middle with spacers.
I really like the look, it's a beautiful knife! I wonder how it managed to stay so pristine all these years?


ZZ, thank you once again for your invaluable input! I love your post on Westerns, they are like a mini seminar!
Thanks again! ::tu::
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Airborne Avery wrote:Dale this knife looks like the 549 on page 134 of the knife makers who went West from the 1941 catalog pictures
It has a 4 and 3/4 inch blade And 549 says 5 each But 543 says 4 and 3/4 and is 8 and 1/2 inches long this one is 9" long and looks more like the 549 then the 543 so I will lean towards 1941 549 in a west-cut model with decorated stag handle let me know what you think, thanks

Avery, as you state, your knife just doesn't quite match what's in the catalog reprints.

I too lean towards it being a 549 from the 1941 era. It's easier for a knife blade to be a little short than it is for a whole knife to be stretched.

Most likely, since these knives were all hand ground, the knife may have had a small glitch in grinding and the blade ended up being a tad short "per specs". Being a smidgen short would not have been enough to trash the blade. We're talking Great Depression era here, so they would not have wasted a blade.

This knife brings up one of the very rare occasions where Western used a pattern number over with completely different patterns for the blades.

The 1941 49 pattern (this one) is not quite 5" and the Bowie 49 was 9". The 1936 49 pattern had a 3-7/8" blade, even smaller that the 1941 version.
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Dale,

Several of the 1936 and 1941 models had washers/spacers in the middle of the handle. Some were stacked leather, some had 4 wood (cocobola) segments, some had 4 bakelite segments. Same with the nickle/silver guards and pommels.

IMO, Western's best selection was their 1941 offerings. They had more models of fixed and folding blade knives that last season before Pearl Harbor than at any other time during their long history. Many of those rare 1941 knives were never revived for an extended period after the war ended. Some were briefly revived at times, but they were never long term offerings.
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Thanks Orvet it is a real beauty I feel very fortunate to have acquired it some one took good care of it and stored it properly out of the sheath, you did a good job on that west-cut you breath new life into it and now it will be enjoyed even more for years to come
Thanks ZZ for helping me with the history of Western knives your knowledge is greatly appreciated

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Dale, I love the camel bone and the sheath. Both turned out great and fit perfectly with the period and character of the knife! Best regards.

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ZZ - I agree with your statement regarding the 1941 offerings. The Nordic knives are magnificent! I have never seen one in person and I have not even seen many pictures of them.
The number and variety of knives offered was probably staggering for its time. Amazing!


Herb - Thank you, it was too fine a knife to not restore it, in my opinion.
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