R 6816 Wow !

[espn77]

Opinions on this etch.

That's the first Remington etch I've seen without Remington underlined.

[peanut740]

The etch on Lyle`s doesn`t have an underline under Remington either.I have seen cleaned Remys with original etch.But,have seen many cleaned ones that have been re-etched.Lyle,at Tulsa a couple years age,the dealer I got the etched Challenge off of for you,had 2 re-etched cleaned Remington farmers jacks.They had fuzzy etches and had been cleaned considerably.Those are easy ones to pick out.

[wlf]

The etch on Lyle`s doesn`t have an underline under Remington either.I have seen cleaned Remys with original etch.But,have seen many cleaned ones that have been re-etched.Lyle,at Tulsa a couple years age,the dealer I got the etched Challenge off of for you,had 2 re-etched cleaned Remington farmers jacks.They had fuzzy etches and had been cleaned considerably.Those are easy ones to pick out.

The scan was from a knife I once had and returned to the man I got it from.
The knife was heavily cleaned and reprofiled, I didn’t think the knife was right.

Thanks Jerry, Keith, and Roger. You all should weigh in on the pressed stag conversation.

[RalphAlsip]

7, 11 look like the same style etch

Keith, I'm a man with too much time on my hands See picture below. I pulled etches 7 & 11 out of the collage and then resized the images of the etches to be the same size, then cropped just the lettering from the etch of #11, then colored the letters red and then superimposed the red letters from etch 11 on top of the etch from #7.

Long story short you are right that #7 and #11 are clones of the same style.

[kootenay joe]

Wow Jerry, you are very adept technically & thorough too. Thank you for explaining all are etches on a blade.
I don't know how the etching was done but it would have been one of the last steps before being packaged up. Sometimes the 'etcher' employee might have been distracted, or very tired, etc. and the etch came out not as crisp as it should or with some other minor 'issue'. These knives would have been sold along with those with perfect etch. Remington was making them to be used and so the etch would soon be partly worn off.
Do you agree that some of the etches that look a little off could have come from the factory that way ?
kj

[RalphAlsip]

Do you agree that some of the etches that look a little off could have come from the factory that way ? kj

Roland, philosphically, I agree that the knife manufacturing processes in place in the 1920's would yield variances in finished products due the manual nature of those processes. The repeatability of the same person from one etch to the next would vary and the repeatability of 2 different people making etches would likely vary even more. I would also agree that a person re-etching a blade 50 or more years later would produce variances to the original specification.

Practically, I have no idea of the root cause for the appearance any of the etches in the pictures I used.

With regard to etches being worn off, inked on etches would easily be worn off. However some Remington etches are etched into the blade and won't wear off easily. I would expect that aggressive buffing could remove the in the blade etching.

The 2 pictures below represent what I believe the in-the-blade etches are supposed to look like and, in my opinion, reflect the attention to detail, elegance, and precision of craftsmen who took pride in their work.

[espn77]

Thanks Jerry, Keith, and Roger. You all should weigh in on the pressed stag conversation.

I think this is as hard of a knife as there is to judge off of pictures. I could never buy this knife without holding it. The stag to me looks to be Remington stag. Pinning and finish can't be evaluated in a picture. I'm of a mind to think the knife is right only based on who owns it. The owner has an amazing high end Remington collection. That doesn't 100% guarantee a knives authenticity but it gives it a good start.
Lyle, I think you see us avoiding the question about the stag because we hate to call a mans knife not right without good tangible evidence. I'd love to hold that knife. Don't imagine he would send it to me to look it over????

[wlf]

Sorry Keith, I derailed the thread. I was talking about the Parker and Field knife handle material Roland had. I value the opinion of the ones commenting on this thread.

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I should have started another thread there, considering the interest. My question and knowledge of Remingtons doesn’t extend beyond what little knowledge I have of farmers jacks.

My only concern in this type of topic is, if you can’t tell the difference in originality without in depth forensics, well......?

[kootenay joe]

"My only concern in this type of topic is, if you can’t tell the difference in originality without in depth forensics, well......?"

Well, you don't stop trying to ID etches that are not original. With some experience likely you can ID most of them. If the occasional re-etch does get into your collection, or anyone's collection, this is just how it is with all collectibles, including old paintings that are worth millions of dollars.
kj

[bigjohn1943]

I own the R 6816 being discussed. The knife is totally authentic as advertised and represented. I've been privileged to own the best over the years in Remington, Case and what piqued my interest. As to the discussion on Remington etches, Remington produced knives that had no etch, had an acid etch and black ink etches as well. The etches can vary. I have three Remington mint R 1123 Bullets that are interesting. The spear on one has the Remington Master Knife in black ink. I think later production. The second knife has spey acid etched Remington Trade Mark. Also note the saw tooth tip edge. Had to come out of the Factory like that! Third knife also has acid Remington Trade Mark on spey. So, one spear black ink 2 speys acid etched. The bottom line is you will encounter variations. A variation doesn't mean the knife is not genuine Remington production. You will find variations in the pearls and sometimes knives with no number or miss numbered. Their are obvious problem knives out there and some not so obvious. The flaws are however usually detected with knowledge and experience. I'm attaching a couple photos of etches on the 1123s quickly done for information with a full set of bullets for fun. Bottom line is that I fully stand behind any knife I sell. They are usually from my collecting over the years but at 75, I need to do some moving along. Regards to all and enjoy all the older better cutlery! John Hay

Remington etch

Bullets

[espn77]

I appreciate you responding John. Sure wish you would hang around and share your knowledge and pictures of your collection.
Keith

[Mumbleypeg]

I appreciate you responding John. Sure wish you would hang around and share your knowledge and pictures of your collection.
Keith

Amen to that! And welcome here John - thanks for contributing to the discussion of your knife. You obviously have a great collection and knowledge we could all learn from. Most of us here on AAPK enjoy talking about, learning about, and looking at knives. Hope you'll join in and contribute now that you've at least stuck your toe in.

Ken

[pearlroosterman]

Welcome aboard John, glad you joined us. John Davis