knife identification

[djknife13]

Not much to go on with this one but maybe someone can recognize it from what is there. The knife is an early 1800's horn handled two blade knife with a Wharncliff main blade with cast steel deep stamped out on the blade and a pen blade shaped the way early quill cutting blades were made. It has square kicks on both blades. The tang stamp I can see is what appears to be a W____ on the first line, Cutlery on the second and Cast Steel on the third. That is all I can see on the small blade tang and the main blade stamp is worn off. Like I said, not much to go on. ____Dave

[doglegg]

Dave, can't help with ID but didn't someone else have a knife on here the other day with a little 'lip' like that on their blade? Something about why someone would grind the kick but leave that little protrusion. Yours looks factory though.

[knife7knut]

I think the top line is W(crown)R for King William(1830-1837). The second line might be the word patented abbreviated.(possibly pat'd). Can you post a pic of the whole knife?

[djknife13]

Dave, can't help with ID but didn't someone else have a knife on here the other day with a little 'lip' like that on their blade? Something about why someone would grind the kick but leave that little protrusion. Yours looks factory though.

This is a square kick. It's on both blades and they were done this way in the early 1800's. A few of my oldest knives were done this way. Thanks. Dave

[djknife13]

I think the top line is W(crown)R for King William(1830-1837). The second line might be the word patented abbreviated.(possibly pat'd). Can you post a pic of the whole knife?

Thanks. I hadn't considered the W as part of the Royal stamp but it would make sense. I'm pretty sure the line below it is an off center "cutlery" but could be wrong. If the W is for the Kings mark, then the company name may be above it and is totally worn off. The past owner couldn't figure it out and showed it to some very knowledgeable knife experts so I'm kind of shooting in the dark here.____Dave

[djknife13]

I think the top line is W(crown)R for King William(1830-1837). The second line might be the word patented abbreviated.(possibly pat'd). Can you post a pic of the whole knife?

Sorry about the dark picture. It's been so dark and rainy I can't get a decent natural light picture____Dave