Robeson 622167 ½

The first Robeson knives were imported by Millard Robeson from England and Germany exclusively. This continued from 1979 until 1896 when Robeson began manufacturing knives in the United States. Since inception, the company has gone through several reorganizations & eventually ended up as a Queen Cutlery brand.
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Robeson 622167 ½

Postby Old Folder » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:55 pm

I have not been able to find another 622167 ½ Robeson to compare with mine. It measures a little over 3" closed, no half stops, brass liners, solid steel tip-bolsters, both blades are still snappy. I've had this little guy for many years.
The reason I seek a comparison is because of the file blade, it appears to have been ground down to make another sharp edged blade.
I have a couple other questions:
What does the ½ under the 622167 designate? I have never seen a ½ on any Robeson knife before. I know "Case's" ½ designates a "Clip Master Blade" but I have no idea for Robeson. ::shrug::
Would like to have a approximate age of mfg.
After reading many "Robeson" articles here on aapk and viewing the beautiful knives that Robeson has made, I am getting very interested in acquiring more.

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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby knifegnome » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:32 pm

The date range for a ROBESON Shuredge (script) USA dates about 1920-1945, I have seen knives that say Rochester under Shuredge but have never seen Robeson stamped twice on a single blade tang.Pattern #, 6=bone stag, 2= # of blades, 2=brass liners&nickle silver bolsters, 167 is pattern (equal end & tip bolsters) I don't know what 1/2 means,I don't see any knives in my book that have it. Scott.

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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby Old Folder » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:24 am

Thank You for the info Scott. ::nod::
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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby RobesonsRme.com » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Robeson made several variations on their 167 frame and they include two blade penknives and three blade whittlers.

They used numerous suffixes added to their pattern numbers, such as "1/4", "1/2", "1-4", "1-2" which I believe to be the same. They also used "100", "125", "150", "175", "200", "250".

And there were probably more.

I don't think anybody has really determined what they all meant. I have seen two knives illustrated in the Bruce Voyles book that were identical in every way except for the master blades, one being a spear and the other a clip. One of the knives had a "1/2" suffix added to its pattern number, but I forget which. Seems like it was the opposite of Case, though.

I have seen a "1/2" on many knives which I'm sure had nothing to do with the master blade.

Tom Kalcevic illustrated a knife in his first book that had a "1/2" suffix and the only difference was a bail. I've seen knives with "1/2" and no bail.

Suffice it to say that a Robeson knife with any suffix added to its pattern number has some departure from the basic pattern.

Here are some other 167 patterned knives. Notice the first one has the same pattern number as the OP knife, but "1-2" instead of "1/2".

Also, a 482 trapper with a "100" suffix and large pen blade instead of a long spey.

I suspect that long, flexible nail file is the reason for the "1-2" suffix on that 003 pattern knife.

The pearl knife at the bottom has a "250" suffix.

I really have no idea why the rest of these have a suffix at all.

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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby FRJ » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:29 pm

Here's that 482 trapper without the suffix.
Is it the nail nick placement that may prompt the suffix?

My blades are used up a little more than the blades on Charlies knife.
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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby Old Folder » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:54 pm

Charlie, thank you for your time, evaluation and analysis of my 622167 ½ Robeson. Your first pictured knife is identical to mine with the exception of "1-2" instead of "1/2" suffix. (As you stated)

In my Bruce Voyles 1990 Antique Knives edition pertaining to Mr. Voyles preface article on "Robeson Cutlery Company" he states:

"I realized how little is actually known about this knife company whose life span covers nearly a century.

Mr. Voyles lists 439 pictured Robeson knives within his article, there are only 9 of the 439 pictured knives with the ½ suffix. Six (6) of the 9 have file blades, 3 of the 9 do not have file blades, but still have the ½ suffix.

Funny how many of us that are hooked on knives have a inquisitiveness, or desire to know or learn more about each and every knife we have, and the extreme expenditure of our time obtaining this information.
But, as my footnote states;
"It's always important to know what you don't know".
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Re: Robeson 622167 ½

Postby RobesonsRme.com » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:34 pm

Joe, I had thought the presence of the pen, instead of a spey, was the reason for the "100". Now, I don't know.

I no longer own that knife and probably should not have shown it. It belongs to another AAPK member.

Old Folder, if you look on page 342 in your Voyles book, you'll see two 622136 knives in the center column. The one with the spear master blade has a 1/2 suffix, the clip bladed knife does not.

We do tend to dig for the minutia in our hobby, do we not?

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