Old Hawkbills

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:41 pm

nice stag on that IXL mooseman!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:05 am

muskrat man wrote:Charlie, thats interesting, so my ka-bar could very well be of case manufacture? I have two of them the real nice one and one that was tipped that I reshaped as a user. got two more inbound in a hawk collectioin I just acquired

I meant the other way round, MM. Case had them made by others!! A lot of their Barlows were done by others, and most of their scouts, I have heard. Maybe someone knows more.

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:48 am

oh, ok I Oh, ok I had it backwards

thanks Charlie, that explains it

knifeaholic · Post by **knifeaholic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:02 pm

Here are two older CASE 61011 hawkbills that I just picked up. One has a rare tang stamp - it is CASE'S BRADFORD.

BTW, Case made their own hawkbills in hous until about 1981. Then later they were outsourced to Camillus and that continued until recently when Camillus went under.

The ones made in house at Case will have bone or jigged pakkawood handles (61011) or smooth walnut (11011).

knifeaholic · Post by **knifeaholic** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:09 pm

upnorth wrote:
muskrat man wrote:Charlie, thats interesting, so my ka-bar could very well be of case manufacture? I have two of them the real nice one and one that was tipped that I reshaped as a user. got two more inbound in a hawk collectioin I just acquired
I meant the other way round, MM. Case had them made by others!! A lot of their Barlows were done by others, and most of their scouts, I have heard. Maybe someone knows more.

Case outsourced various knives over the years. The 640045 scout was outsourced (Ulster and Camillus) but the 6445R was made in house.

There were some jack patterns (620035 and 620035-1/2) outsourced to Ulster/Kingston. And barlows (Ulster, Utica/Kutmaster). But barlow patterns were also made in house.

Some 048 patterns were outsourced to Camillus during the 1970's, but these patterns were also made in house. I belive that Alcas made some sodbusters for Case as well.

And I have heard that originally (from the mid 70's to the early 90's) that Alcas made all of Case's "modern" lockback knives like the Sharkstooth, Mako, Hammerhead, and others. AFAIK these have been made in house though since the early 90's.

And then the later hawkbill and electrician knives (delrin handles) and the later version of the riggers knife (locking spike) were made by Camillus. Case did make the hawkbills, electrician's, and riggers in house though up through the late 70's.

Ther may be more that I will think of.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:35 pm

Thanks for filling in the knowledge, KA!!!
Real nice hawks you have there!!

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:58 am

Great looking Hawkbills everyone

. The scales on the IXL and the Knifeaholics pair are very nice indeed

s-k.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:50 pm

That George Woodhead and Hawk are "primo", very nice...I love the hawkbill but have never figured out how to sharpen one correctly??

Sunburst

smiling-knife · Post by **smiling-knife** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:43 pm

Here is one I picked-up earlier in the week. The mark is Becker GEBR (Bros) Solingen. Goins lists the mark as 1920-1940. Not sure if this is a maker or merchant name.

s-k

Diligence · Post by **Diligence** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:12 pm

SK - how do you do it? Do you actually walk up to 95 year old grandmothers and ask them if you can rummage in their attic?

Great find.

I'm frozen and jealous - it's cold this morning, and I really want to find a flea market to browse through.

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:47 am

Nice one S-K!

K-A thanks for the input, that is interesting, I have two newer case hawkbills that I thought looked awfully similar to camillus hawks, maybe they made them?

Here is an old german hawk. Can't recall tang stamp will have to check. I like the bolster

lenny357 · Post by **lenny357** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:58 am

Already have a post on this but thought I would add it for historical purpose. Columbia Hawk Bill looks to me the spring is tapered, most powerful spring/snap I have felt, makes the old lady jump..lol
Age?
Value?

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:16 am

Here's a few that came in the mail today.

Different kutmaster varients

a pretty nice ka-bar

a "small" jigged cell kutmaster. I have recently learned that kutmaster made hawkbills in two different frame sizes a larger version and a smaller version about 1/2" or so shorter.

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:01 am

Ok, maybe the last ones weren't old enough

How about an A. Wright and Son LTD Sheffield England? My first Sheffield pruner

lenny357 · Post by **lenny357** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:04 am

Nice arch in it's back MM, shinny too

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:18 am

muskrat man wrote:
How about an A. Wright and Son LTD Sheffield England? My first Sheffield pruner

This is my favorite one MM, I kinda feel a twinkling of an itch to work on a few of these myself..Thanks for sharing them with us..

Sunburst

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:52 pm

thanks fellas. I know dunlaps have already been posted, but this is a really nice one I got in a small group recently.

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:43 pm

I updated some pics on this page of the hawk thread, better clarity. Here is a hukhill hawk I just got in the mail today.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:55 pm

never seen one of those! hukill-hunter co. was a wholesaler in pittsburgh, pa. c1902-?

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:14 am

sunburst wrote:That George Woodhead and Hawk are "primo", very nice...I love the hawkbill but have never figured out how to sharpen one correctly??

Sunburst

I use a Smith's retractable tapered round sharpener for all of my hawkbills and serrated knives.Also has provisions to sharpen fish hooks(see groove in closeup of blade).

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:22 am

knife7knut wrote:
sunburst wrote:That George Woodhead and Hawk are "primo", very nice...I love the hawkbill but have never figured out how to sharpen one correctly??

Sunburst
I use a Smith's retractable tapered round sharpener for all of my hawkbills and serrated knives.Also has provisions to sharpen fish hooks(see groove in closeup of blade).

Thanks knife7knut I really appreciate you taking the time to share that....

Sunburst

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:40 am

knife7knut wrote:
sunburst wrote:That George Woodhead and Hawk are "primo", very nice...I love the hawkbill but have never figured out how to sharpen one correctly??

Sunburst
I use a Smith's retractable tapered round sharpener for all of my hawkbills and serrated knives.Also has provisions to sharpen fish hooks(see groove in closeup of blade).

you too huh? Mine is a bit different, maybe not a smith brand but its a tapered tound sharpener, double ended one side is hald fround with a fishhook sharprned or the rounded side and the other end is full round tapered, works great. Too many old timers stuck thier hawkbill to a good flat "wetrock" and after a while of doing this they had a rope knife instead of a hawk

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:46 am

don't think I posted this one before. A nice little Boker USA, all original, never sharpened

CCBill · Post by **CCBill** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:59 am

# 7,8 & 9 -- Case Brothers, Little Valley, N.Y. 1900- 1912
# 10 -- Case Brothers, Springville, N.Y. 1912- 1915
# 11 -- W. R. Case & Son (singular) Bradford, PA. 1903- 1905
# 12,13& 14 -- W.R. Case & Sons, Bradford, PA 1905- 1920
# 15 -- Case Tested XX -- Bradford, PA 1920- 1945
# 16 -- Case XX, Bradford, PA 1945- 1964
# 17 -- Case XX U.S.A -- 1974
# 12, # 15, and # 16 are un-sharpened.
Some of my dates may not be right. Let me know and I will correct them...
Sorry about the lousy picture. Hopefully you can see them OK.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:18 am

Very impressive old Casehawk collection there CC!!
Old Case knives, even work knives like Hawks and Sods are a pleasure to behold!!

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