Insane prices for case knives on Ebay

[jlw257]

Supratentorial wrote:
"The description is definitely wrong and the knife is not an original knife. Maybe the seller is not knowledgeable or maybe he's lying"

Seller pictures aren't the best, but without holding it how can you tell it not original? Lying is such a hard word to put on anyone.

Larry

Edit. Jerry is asking the same question

[supratentorial]

Jerry, Why don't the pins concern you? You noticed them too. Also compare the knife to known examples of original knives. Why do you think it's original? Furthermore, why are all of the seller's knives shiny?

[supratentorial]

Supratentorial wrote:
"The description is definitely wrong and the knife is not an original knife. Maybe the seller is not knowledgeable or maybe he's lying"

Seller pictures aren't the best, but without holding it how can you tell it not original? Lying is such a hard word to put on anyone.

Larry

Edit. Jerry is asking the same question

I didn't say he was lying. I said I made no judgement about the seller's intent. I've tried to be clear. The description is wrong. The knife is not original.

[gsmith7158]

I've bought knives from this seller and some of his his offerings have been cleaned but he states that if he knows for sure. It is not uncommon to see mint unclean ed knives from the XX period. This guy is an honest seller amenable to reasonable offers. He does price them high initially but if you buy anything from him he gladly accepts returns if you are not 100% satisfied. As for the bolster pin showing I could show you some brand new knives that look like that. I don't see anything thing else about it that arouses suspicion.

[zp4ja]

Supratentorial wrote:
"The description is definitely wrong and the knife is not an original knife. Maybe the seller is not knowledgeable or maybe he's lying"

Seller pictures aren't the best, but without holding it how can you tell it not original? Lying is such a hard word to put on anyone.

Larry

Edit. Jerry is asking the same question

I didn't say he was lying. I said I made no judgement about the seller's intent. I've tried to be clear. The description is wrong. The knife is not original.

Just for fun I will ask again. What specifically is of concern to you and furthermore what doesn't compare to an original knife. By the way Larry's owned more trappers and most of us ever will.
It's your right just to say it's not original and leave it at that but it doesn't hold much water as far as I'm concerned. As I've stated, if you look in my collection and many other collectors knives you would likely say to the same thing, why they also shiny? Because I have a lot of unused knives. This is in no way an intent to brag. No offense but it seems that you were under the misconception that an old knife even tested or prior can't be unused near mint and Uncleaned

[Mumbleypeg]

You're right to be suspicious of any knife of that vintage looking that shiny and new, but FWIW I see nothing wrong with the knife.

Ken

[supratentorial]

According to some responses, some of you know the seller. And my words are being twisted. If the pins don't bother you at all then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Jerry, You didn't reply to any of my questions. I think it's best we both move on. If you like the knife, buy it.

[zp4ja]

According to some responses, some of you know the seller. And my words are being twisted. If the pins don't bother you at all then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Jerry, You didn't reply to any of my questions. I think it's best we both move on. If you like the knife, buy it.

I don't know the seller. I have like five buys on eBay from two sellers in the last five years. I read the entire knife.

That being said, reread what you said and the responses. I said if you're concerned about the pin I certainly wouldn't be. That means the pin doesn't concern me. Twice I asked for some specifics on what you feel is wrong with the knife and no answer. Why do I think the knife is real? Because I'm not fixating on the pin that doesn't concern me and I'm reading the rest of the knife. And not to be combative and with all due respect, I'll move on when I'm good and ready. Especially when someone is dodging a question twice and making it sound like I am I am somehow to blame. As you recall I was not the one that said the listing description was incorrect and did not match the knife.

[supratentorial]

According to some responses, some of you know the seller. And my words are being twisted. If the pins don't bother you at all then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Jerry, You didn't reply to any of my questions. I think it's best we both move on. If you like the knife, buy it.

I don't know the seller. I have like five buys on eBay from two sellers in the last five years. I read the entire knife.

That being said, reread what you said and the responses. I said if you're concerned about the pin I certainly wouldn't be. That means the pin doesn't concern me. Twice I asked for some specifics on what you feel is wrong with the knife and no answer. Why do I think the knife is real? Because I'm not fixating on the pin that doesn't concern me and I'm reading the rest of the knife. And not to be combative and with all due respect, I'll move on when I'm good and ready. Especially when someone is dodging a question twice and making it sound like I am I am somehow to blame. As you recall I was not the one that said the listing description was incorrect and did not match the knife.

You and I are at an impasse. I believe that it is a parts knife that was cleaned inside and out. You believe it is authentic. For fun, I contacted BRL for advise. According to him, I was wrong since the knife isn't even a Case knife.

" it has never been carried, used or cleaned."

This is true.

It is also not a Case knife, and not old.

Just expensive.

What is wrong with it? Everything. Every detail.

BRL...

[olderdogs1]

I know this seller very well. I think he is being honest when he said it looks original and has not been cleaned.
As far as the pins they don't concern me at all. I have had similar knives with these pins that show like this. After much research I find that among the experts the opinion is that Case employees put the pins in that happened to be on the line. So really the pins lead me to think it has not been altered.
This is just my opinion. I could be wrong for sure. I know Richard handles a lot if knives that have been cleaned. I do as well. As the good people here say and I agree, "Read the knife and not the description"

Tom

[lr64knives]

Steve happens to me also but not on Case knives, I see something like I will sell brings 3 -4 times what mine will.

[jlw257]

Supratentorial, I don't know where you're going with these accusations.

Larry

[supratentorial]

Supratentorial, I don't know where you're going with these accusations.

Larry

As I said before, we can agree to disagree and move on. Jerry wanted to continue even though I had asked to move on. If you disagree with me about the knife, that is fine. I'm okay with agreeing to disagree. If Bernard Levine says the knife is not authentic but you believe the knife is authentic, that is up to you also.

[montemojo]

Steve, I dont think you're doing anything wrong either. I don't claim to be a knife expert. The OP knife is very shiny. The seller does seem to have what I call the gift of gab. The sellers description reminds me of a good used car salesman. I believe the seller could sale sand to someone that lives in the desert. If I wanted to bring in this kind of revenue. I would study and try to copy the salesmans tactics. I guess you would say that I would ham it up. As far as shill bidding I dont know much about that either. So the main difference I see with this and other auction list is the description.

Monte

[knifeaholic]

Steve, I dont think you're doing anything wrong either. I don't claim to be a knife expert. The OP knife is very shiny. The seller does seem to have what I call the gift of gab. The sellers description reminds me of a good used car salesman. I believe the seller could sale sand to someone that lives in the desert. If I wanted to bring in this kind of revenue. I would study and try to copy the salesmans tactics. I guess you would say that I would ham it up. As far as shill bidding I dont know much about that either. So the main difference I see with this and other auction list is the description.

Monte

Yeah he does a good job on "selling the sizzle". I have (maybe incorrectly) tended to think that most bidders don't want to wade through large blocks of text, just get to the important items - do the blades have good snap, any cracks, other things the photos don't show. Evidently the dazzling descriptions do work on some subset of bidders.

[MrBlister]

Hey Steve , , , , GREAT NEWS.....
at todays ebay prices YOUR collection is worth bout 17.5 million !!!!!
even MY pitiful lil pile shud fetch 2 mil . . . oh baby !!!!!!!
so we got THAT goin for us ....

HET ole buddy .. . HET

[zp4ja]

According to some responses, some of you know the seller. And my words are being twisted. If the pins don't bother you at all then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Jerry, You didn't reply to any of my questions. I think it's best we both move on. If you like the knife, buy it.

I don't know the seller. I have like five buys on eBay from two sellers in the last five years. I read the entire knife.

That being said, reread what you said and the responses. I said if you're concerned about the pin I certainly wouldn't be. That means the pin doesn't concern me. Twice I asked for some specifics on what you feel is wrong with the knife and no answer. Why do I think the knife is real? Because I'm not fixating on the pin that doesn't concern me and I'm reading the rest of the knife. And not to be combative and with all due respect, I'll move on when I'm good and ready. Especially when someone is dodging a question twice and making it sound like I am I am somehow to blame. As you recall I was not the one that said the listing description was incorrect and did not match the knife.

You and I are at an impasse. I believe that it is a parts knife that was cleaned inside and out. You believe it is authentic. For fun, I contacted BRL for advise. According to him, I was wrong since the knife isn't even a Case knife.

" it has never been carried, used or cleaned."

This is true.

It is also not a Case knife, and not old.

Just expensive.

What is wrong with it? Everything. Every detail.

BRL...

Ok, so now 4 times you were asked by 3 different members (2 times by myself) and now I will try a fifth attempt. All I heard thus far after repeated attempts is "not original" with zero explanation as to what is wrong.

What do you personally see wrong?

The pin is likely metallurgically different from the bolsters hence the color difference.

The quote from BRL I respectfully disagree with. "Laughable" was the first thought that came to mind but "respectfully disagree" is easier for some to swallow so there you go. Yep, I just said that. Oh and vague like your responses. Not even a CASE knife? Nothing CASE about that knife? Not one pinpointed detail on one aspect of the knife. Only other thing I can think of is dirty computer screen, commenting on the wrong knife, lost eyeglasses, etc. Please stop already.

That knife is right as rain in my opinion. Regardless of what your and BRL opinion is unless I see some detail as to what is wrong. Not a fan of hearing quotes from others on a subject either. Horses mouth and all. Likely won't get that from you though. Maybe contact BRL again so you can formulate an actual detailed opinion. Would love see some detail posted by both you and BRL directly to this thread. Anything beyond that is heresay, in my opinion.

If general concenus of my members, experts ( I mean CASE experts), etc is that I am incorrect, I will certainly entertain and discuss that in detail. Thats why they call it a dialogue. I will admit if I was incorrect. Just can't do that at this point with vague statements and ghost references based on what my eyeballs are seeing.

Just to be clear for those joining late in the discussion, here is the link member "supratentorial (see page 2)"...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162418065060

I personally don't give a rats behind about choosing sides here. It is about backing up what you allege in detail and not this smokes and mirrors, dog and pony crap.

Jerry

[gsmith7158]

Lawd god somebody hep me please! I may have some fantasy knives on my hands. Call BRL-549 quick.

[espn77]

Greg. You got chingahooied on those knives. Being the good guy I am I'll give you an exit strategy for those knives.

[gsmith7158]

Greg. You got chingahooied on those knives. Being the good guy I am I'll give you an exit strategy for those knives.

Keith I knew I could count on you.

[espn77]

You know me buddy. Always there to help you out.