All Metal Handle Knives

[smiling-knife]

Great ruler knife Jim. Here's another to make K7K cringe. I promise not to open all the blades at the same time again. I have one that folds out to a full 12inch rule. I'll try to add pics on the weekend.

[smiling-knife]

smiling-knife, now that one is a real treasure!!

Who is the maker? Edit! I am on my iphone and didn't bother to enlarge the pics. Sorry! John Watts it is.

I have thought of starting a Sheffield collection with steel handled knives like yours and my S&P with knife and fork blades but they are hard to find here in Sweden.

Thanks!!

Jim

Hi Jim, The actual maker is not clear. The tin opener was made by John Watts but the master blade by Wm Singleton. My current thinking is that Singleton bought the tin opener from Watts. Watt's had the capability to make all the components. It was common for many Sheffield companies to buy parts like scissor, corkscrews, tin openers etc from other companies if they did not normally make these themselves. Another possibility is that a third company assembled the "picnic companion" from parts bought in. I have not found an original ad or any reference for this particular knife.

[sakoblade]

smiling-knife, now that one is a real treasure!!

Who is the maker? Edit! I am on my iphone and didn't bother to enlarge the pics. Sorry! John Watts it is.

I have thought of starting a Sheffield collection with steel handled knives like yours and my S&P with knife and fork blades but they are hard to find here in Sweden.

Thanks!!

Jim

Hi Jim, The actual maker is not clear. The tin opener was made by John Watts but the master blade by Wm Singleton. My current thinking is that Singleton bought the tin opener from Watts. Watt's had the capability to make all the components. It was common for many Sheffield companies to buy parts like scissor, corkscrews, tin openers etc from other companies if they did not normally make these themselves. Another possibility is that a third company assembled the "picnic companion" from parts bought in. I have not found an original ad or any reference for this particular knife.

Don´t we all just love an enigma! That´s part of making collecting so much fun!

If we had all information written down and easy accessible, how much fun would it be?

Very nice knife I must say.

Jim

[knife7knut]

Speaking of enigmas;here is one that has me a bit puzzled.Made by Harrison Brothers & Howson Cutlers to HIS Majesty and the silver hallmarks (GH) (Crown) (Lion passant) (f).Not sure if this was King Edward (1901-1910) or King George V & VI (1910-1952).What is reall y puzzling is the hallmark on one handle has omitted the crown(royal warrant)while the other side has it. Any ideas on this S-K?

[TheMadHungarian]

Old hand hammered Robeson.

[TheMadHungarian]

[smiling-knife]

Speaking of enigmas;here is one that has me a bit puzzled.Made by Harrison Brothers & Howson Cutlers to HIS Majesty and the silver hallmarks (GH) (Crown) (Lion passant) (f).Not sure if this was King Edward (1901-1910) or King George V & VI (1910-1952).What is reall y puzzling is the hallmark on one handle has omitted the crown(royal warrant)while the other side has it. Any ideas on this S-K?

Hi, the crown is the Sheffield city symbol. Not sure why it only appears on one side. The date mark (letter) looks like an F for 1923 so dates to the time of George V.

[sakoblade]

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Cool knives MadHungarian!

Never seen Schrade folders with steel handles over here.

Jim

[sakoblade]

smiling-knife, I have a question for you.

I asked about the age of my Singleton & Priestman on British Blades a while back and a very helpful bloke (Tom) told me he thought it was made between circa 1910 and 1936.

Do you have any opinions?

Cheers!

Jim

[smiling-knife]

smiling-knife, I have a question for you.

I asked about the age of my Singleton & Priestman on British Blades a while back and a very helpful bloke (Tom) told me he thought it was made between circa 1910 and 1936.

Do you have any opinions?

Cheers!

Jim
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Nice set. That seems about the right time frame to me. According to Twedale, the last listing for the company was 1936.

[smiling-knife]

I like the ring turn opening knives MadHungarian.

[TheMadHungarian]

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Cool knives MadHungarian!

Never seen Schrade folders with steel handles over here.

Jim

Thanks guys, I have a lot of makin' up to do for 10 years of bein' MIA, expect lots of pics and stories to ensue .

[sakoblade]

smiling-knife, I have a question for you.

I asked about the age of my Singleton & Priestman on British Blades a while back and a very helpful bloke (Tom) told me he thought it was made between circa 1910 and 1936.

Do you have any opinions?

Cheers!

Jim
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Nice set. That seems about the right time frame to me. According to Twedale, the last listing for the company was 1936.

Thank you very much, Mr smiling-knife!! Nice to know it´s approximate age even if it will be hard to date it exactly.

I know it´s hard to give any price estimates from pics but what do similar knives sell of in the UK? I haven´t seen any similar ones lately and mine is a flea market find and cost me almost nothing. I´m not after any exact valuation, more a ballpark figure.

I wish you all a great weekend!

Jim

[TheMadHungarian]

I know I'm stretchin' the the limits of the OP's thread but I feel this should go here as it is an old traditional pattern, the Buck 110 started the folding lock back trend back in 1964. Every Cop, Biker, Mechanic/Tradesman and Outdoorsman worth their salt had one in a sheath on their belts. To me 50 years of continuous production constitutes a tradition to me .

In 1987 Buck decided to test the waters in the tactical knife field and tried with the Buck 186 Titanium take down knife. A lot of people credit Spyderco with the first US made knife with a pocket/belt clip, it was Buck who did it first, Spyderco's knife with a pocket clip was made in Japan first and didn't move manufacturing to the USA till the end of the 80s after Buck released the short lived 1 year production run of the 186.

The 186 was also the first US production made titanium folder and the first US knife made to disassemble by the end user and even advertised it that way like Sebenza and included a tool to take down the knife. First US production knife to use bushings for the pivots for the blade and lock bar. It's a shame they only made them for a year, I think they were ahead of their time and the consumer wasn't ready for all the first put into a well loved traditional pattern. Anyway, here's the 186 in all it's glory.

[TheMadHungarian]

Early turn of the century Victorian enameled Shoe Figural knife circa 1910

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Hard to tell from the pictures but I am pretty sure the handles on that one is either bakelite or celluloid.

You are correct it is Bakelite, the plastic is so crisp it looked like it was a stamped tin shell but I took a needle to the scale where you couldn't see it and it scratched like plastic. Thanks for the correction, it made me verify what I thought to be correct only to find out I was wrong, again I appreciate the correction and after checking again myself I won't misrepresent this knife. I'm going to leave the pic but amend the post.

I couldn't amend the post but at least I corrected it here.

[knife7knut]

In 1987 Buck decided to test the waters in the tactical knife field and tried with the Buck 186 Titanium take down knife. A lot of people credit Spyderco with the first US made knife with a pocket/belt clip, it was Buck who did it first, Spyderco's knife with a pocket clip was made in Japan first and didn't move manufacturing to the USA till the end of the 80s after Buck released the short lived 1 year production run of the 186.

The 186 was also the first US production made titanium folder and the first US knife made to disassemble by the end user and even advertised it that way like Sebenza and included a tool to take down the knife. First US production knife to use bushings for the pivots for the blade and lock bar. It's a shame they only made them for a year, I think they were ahead of their time and the consumer wasn't ready for all the first put into a well loved traditional pattern. Anyway, here's the 186 in all it's glory.

I wasn't aware that they were only 1 year. I bought one when they first came out and they were not cheap(about $60 as I recall). I liked it because it felt so much better in the hand than the 110 which to me is very handle heavy and uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time. I still have mine and the original box and plastic sleeve (to fit the blade into when dis-assembling it).The only down side I found with it was if you chose to keep the assembly tool attached to the knife it was a bit awkward to use as well as the built in pocket clip.

[jerryd6818]

Added these since the last time I posted in this thread.

[sakoblade]

Sweet Jerry D.!

I just need to get me one of those Camillus Military Issued knives! Preferably from my birth year, 1964.

And the ruler knife is way cool! I am very happy for the one I picked up the other day!

Jim

[Miller Bro's]

You are correct it is Bakelite, the plastic is so crisp it looked like it was a stamped tin shell but I took a needle to the scale where you couldn't see it and it scratched like plastic. Thanks for the correction, it made me verify what I thought to be correct only to find out I was wrong, again I appreciate the correction and after checking again myself I won't misrepresent this knife. I'm going to leave the pic but amend the post.

I couldn't amend the post but at least I corrected it here.

Glad I could help

I just noticed you joined AAPK back in 2004 Welcome back!

[RobesonsRme.com]

Just so you know, I was joking when I stated Robeson stippled that little knife with a center punch and small ball-peen hammer.

I'm pretty sure they were stamped out that way.

Charlie Noyes

[TheMadHungarian]

If you look closely there's no discernible pattern, the divots are so random that it makes sense they were done by hand. I don't know how many they made as I've only ever seen the exact pic you posted which I have in my Imgur account and then mine which is generic and ready to be engraved. Look closely at the scales and you'll see what I mean. I'm a fabricator machinist by trade and to do a few hundred like this by hand wouldn't take very long for an SFO.

Usually when things are stamped they're duplicated on the next piece, I'll have to compare the ARPEAKO and my First Prize to see if there's a common patern, it should be visible if that's the case.

[zzyzzogeton]

Here's a trivia question for ya Charlie. There was an episode in M.A.S.H. when Father Mulcahy had to perform a trach on an injured mate and did so,(under the guidance of Hawkeye via walkie talkie) with a pocket knife and by inserting the end of a pen thus acting as the cannula. What was the pocket knife he more than likely used? Any takers? Rocky

Is 5&1/2 years a long enough wait for the answer?

[TheMadHungarian]

It was a Tom Mix Pocket knife, could have been this Camillus I'm not certain. I'm still lookin'.

Here's the season and episode of MASH it was in.

Season 5 Episode 8 (“Mulcahy’s War”) where a soldier with “shell shock” refuses to talk to Father Mulcahy because he doesn’t understand what it’s like to be in combat. The Padre hijacks Radar to go up to a forward aide station to transport a wounded soldier, and on the way back, has to perform an emergency tracheotomy with his Tom Mix pocket knife while being shelled by the enemy.

[TheMadHungarian]

Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturers Galazan Sidelock knife, using the side plate from an A-10 shotgun.

[steve99f]

That looks like a fine Sunday knife Ted.