W.R CASE AND SONS 6203/TESTED XX 6383 RESTORATION QUESTIONS?
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JRFAN1
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W.R CASE AND SONS 6203/TESTED XX 6383 RESTORATION QUESTIONS?
Ok,im a newbie to collecting.I have over 50 Knives in abit over 4 months of collecting and the fiance is not the bit too pleased
Ive decided to TRY to stick to Case Tested XX 1920-1940 and earlier and also Catteragus Knives,so i know im going to pay the long dollar 99% of the time.But do have an old camillus and a few Buck and other Good Brandings,but mainly case and catts.My Question is this,my grandad passed away 3 months ago and left me with a few knives which i had seen him use several times as a boy and wanted so bad to have,two of them being a W.R Case and Sons Half-Canoe 6203 Rogers Bone and a Case Tested XX 6383,both needing some tlc,the half-canoe was missing a handle and the other handle had a big grove in it,the tested xx 6383 had a big chunk mssing on one of the handles.So i thought id try to bring them back regardless of cost,so my first step i took a trip to Case in Bradford,Pa,i live roughly 35 miles away,i went to the main factory on a monday morning,i waited over 30 minutes and was told both repair reps were out,so i was greeted by a gentlemen who had the big goggles and big apron on covered with metal shavings
He told me his name and told me he had been employed there 23 years,he seemed very anxious and hurried,so i first showed him the tested 6383 with no expression he looked it over,i then unwrapped the severly banged up 6203 Rogers,his expression changed and his eyes lit up and a grin came about his face,i told him that they were my granddads and wanted him to do what he could.He said i can bring them back with a smile,but its going to cost you a few bucks:)Of course i said ok,he then said im going to start on them RIGHT NOW,and i will not let them out of my sight.I told him i wanted the original shields and bolsters and blades left intact..just cleaned and honed.He said ok.2 DAYS LATER the repair rep called and said my knives were ready for pickup!!I was shocked as i heard it usually takes a few months at least.But under the circumstances im SURE he went out of his way.I unwrapped them and about fell to the floor!!They didnt even look like the same knives!!! They were Beutiful,like new.I requested to talk to the gentelmen who i had talked to before as he was the one who worked on them,the repair rep replied he's very busy,and usually does not take on special assignments,but was touched and was allowed to do the restores per his supervisor.WHAT A CLASS ACT!!I got his name and left a thank you card and a Gratuity.Both Knives Were Re-handled with a perfectly matching set of what looks to be jigged stag(newbie here),new pins,original bolsters and blades cleaned to a mirror finish.Needless to say i was in awe of the craftmenship and time he spent on each knife.My question is,how much of the value is affected by this restore?And what kind of value for insurance purposes should i place on them??(not selling them)thanks for any responses/replys...i will be posting pics of both knives before/after if i can.
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Re: 6203 6382
damn, looks like they did an exellent job. Thanks for the pics. Richard.
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JRFAN1
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thanks lenny and roger for your replys....still looking for some insight on restoring and how it affects the value of these two and any knife period!!Do collectors stay away from restored knives? Do they have to be restored with original bone of that same era?? Anyone ever seen a restored knife sell on ebay or any other auction site?? and if so was there a drop off in price?? ANY IDEAS WOULD HELP,THANKS
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Very true statesment, I have a few knives that are priceless and would never part with. Folks restore alot of things and as long as the same meat and potatoes are still there it goes up in value. Your knives look great and the fact that Case is the one that did the re-work, I think you can really rest a sure you have done the right thing. 
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I recently saw a restored 1957 Chevy that kind of relates to your situation.
Generally speaking restoring a "clunker" to pristine condition adds value. And please don't take offense, I am not calling your Grandfather's knives "clunkers", they are priceless heirlooms to you!
However to another collector without the sentimental value they will bring less if they are not mint.
Now if they were in cherry original condition that is a whole different thing, but that is not the "Case" here, please forgive the pun!
Now why the Chevy is a good analogy here? It was restored on the factory line where it was originaly made. The plant in California was closing and they wanted to create a memorial so to speak, so the emplyees all donated their time and ran the car down the line. This FACTORY restored 57 Chevy sold for about double a normal restoration!
I believe your knives in their restored condition are worth more to a collector than then in the less than perfect original shape. Not as much as if they were original and mint or at least really good.
And no, I had to drop out of the bidding LLOONNGGG before the 57 sold!
Enjoy them, think of your grandfather often, tell your grandkids the story, it is a great one.
Generally speaking restoring a "clunker" to pristine condition adds value. And please don't take offense, I am not calling your Grandfather's knives "clunkers", they are priceless heirlooms to you!
However to another collector without the sentimental value they will bring less if they are not mint.
Now if they were in cherry original condition that is a whole different thing, but that is not the "Case" here, please forgive the pun!
Now why the Chevy is a good analogy here? It was restored on the factory line where it was originaly made. The plant in California was closing and they wanted to create a memorial so to speak, so the emplyees all donated their time and ran the car down the line. This FACTORY restored 57 Chevy sold for about double a normal restoration!
I believe your knives in their restored condition are worth more to a collector than then in the less than perfect original shape. Not as much as if they were original and mint or at least really good.
And no, I had to drop out of the bidding LLOONNGGG before the 57 sold!
Enjoy them, think of your grandfather often, tell your grandkids the story, it is a great one.
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HI Gang!
I don't like to be bad guy here, but I do like others to know the truth.
What you did with you knives is great.
I truly understand and appreciate you wanting them to look great as they do.
But as far as their resale, what you have done will significantly reduce thier value to a collector.
They are no longer original and should be advertised as such if ever sold.
I don't want you to misunderstand and think that I am down on you for this as I am not.
It is just that original is just that. ALL ORIGINAL and that will bring a better price than tampered with.
I recommend to anyone that you are by far better off to not attempt to clean change or alter any knife in any way until you know what you are doing, then limit to lite cleaning etc. only.
The pieces are still collectable, just not as valuable. To a collector that is, they are priceless to you and that is FAR more important.
I just wanted to teach a little knife lesson here and I appreciate you letting me do that. 
I don't like to be bad guy here, but I do like others to know the truth.
But as far as their resale, what you have done will significantly reduce thier value to a collector.
I don't want you to misunderstand and think that I am down on you for this as I am not.
The pieces are still collectable, just not as valuable. To a collector that is, they are priceless to you and that is FAR more important.
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JRFAN, why don't you see if you pay to get a signed letter from Case, with the worker's signature that "up-graded" your grandfathers knives? Keep it with your knives and "IF" you were to ever sale them, the buyer could make up his own mind about them. That way it's being honest, while providing a little history on the knives. I'm with PA about the original parts. I know if I was buying them, I would want to know the complete story. Please don't take my statement wrong, I don't mean in any way that you would be untruthfull about anything. Those are some great looking knives as well.
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duffy,i do have the original copy of the repair order,which states the W.R Case..the catalog # 6203 and the worked performed...Replaced handles,cleaned and honed,it also includes the case cutlery header on the repair slip along with the date and the employee who worked on its # and the repair order #,thanks to all on the replys
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pa knives...i appreciate and realize what your saying,but again i reiterate the condition of both knives before restoration,the W.R 6203 had one handle completely missing,the other had a huge gash through it,in my eyes(again im a newer collector)it was a parts knife.The tested xx 6383 had half a handle missing.So with that said it didnt and dont matter what the monetary value IS or WAS... being a family heirloom and belonging to my grandad,i wanted them to be as nice and useable(if needed)as possible and able to possibly pass down should i have any children.If i got in a bind and had to sell id be more than honest with the history and restoration of both knives as i believe in the old addage "What comes around goes around"maybe not today,tommorrow or next week,BUT IT DOES EVENTUALLY!! ::tu::Id like to think im an honest/truthful person.We all have to look ourselves in the mirror at the end of the day
With that said i think its up to the buyer obviously to decide for whatever reason to buy or not to buy.I think i would do pretty well with the W.R 6203 as from everyone ive talked to seem to agree its a rarer pattern #.But again thanks for your reply and i appreciate your opinions. Thanks again everyone for the replys. God Bless. Dave
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