Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[garddogg56]

that last one is how we view it Jerry I gut a new toy for the Moose hunt for a side arm GREAT sale $270 OTD..Ran her all weekend flawless,S&W SD9VE.

Great pickup dogg. How to like the trigger? I call those scorpion tail triggers personally. Think my MP 22 has the same setup but have not shot that one much.

Picked up a great "Certified Pre Owned" SIG 229 in 40 caliber. Fomerly LEO CARRY trade in. SIG strips them down, all new springs and replace any worn parts. Comes with 2 mags. My LGS had them for $587 OTD. There's a specific gun dealer that had about 200 left last I looked. I forget their name though but if anyone's interested let me know and I'll find out.
Jerry

Thanx Jerry she sure is better than the SW9 THAT WAS A GLOCK COPY gut 200 rounds thru her this weekend 50 of them Federal aluminum,no fte or ftf hit well out to 20 yards how ya like the Sig?I almost gut the SD9VE in a .40 they were all out

[zp4ja]

Cool deal.

As far as liking the new SIG...

I love all my SIGS but as far as balance, feel, fast accurate follow ups, etc, the SIG P229 in 9mm and 40 caliber are the best, at least for myself. But the jury is still out until I get my P220 Combat TB (threaded barrel) in and have a chance to take a run at it.
More on that later...

Not sure what agency the 40 came from but it is dehorned with reduction slide serrations indicative of a concealed officer carry.

10 rounds, 15 yards rapid fire with 10 hits on a 12 inch plate. I'll take and carry that all day long.

[zp4ja]

Is the SIG ANTI SNAG (SAS) a 238 or 938?

Nice gun. One of my 938s is the SAS model.

Jerry

[Paladin]

Cool deal.

Not sure what agency the 40 came from but it is dehorned with reduction slide serrations indicative of a concealed officer carry.
10 rounds, 15 yards rapid fire with 10 hits on a 12 inch plate. I'll take and carry that all day long.

Not completely sure but I believe that the Secret Service carried the Sig 40 at one time. I think they now carry the Sig in 357SIG.

Ray

[fergusontd]

Jerry, Sad to say but what you say is too true, but for some reason Chicago seems like its under seige. ftd

[zp4ja]

You are correct on USSS current carry for sure. Pretty sure also on their former carry. The FBI downsized also. The 40 cal recoil (which by the way is totally/easily managable in my opinion) was too excessive based on complaints from some agents.

Another benefit to the P229 in 40 is that you can use same frame, slide and Mags, swap 40 barrel out and put in .357 SIG Barrel and you are off to the races.

[Paladin]

You are correct on USSS current carry for sure. Pretty sure also on their former carry. The FBI downsized also. The 40 cal recoil (which by the way is totally/easily managable in my opinion) was too excessive based on complaints from some agents.

Another benefit to the P229 in 40 is that you can use same frame, slide and Mags, swap 40 barrel out and put in .357 SIG Barrel and you are off to the races.

And I can tell you for sure that the 357Sig is a hard hitting round. Wow!

Ray

[garddogg56]

Is the SIG ANTI SNAG (SAS) a 238 or 938?

Nice gun. One of my 938s is the SAS model.

Jerry

Jerry she's a 238 great shooter but I feel more comfortable pocket carrying my S&W BG380 for which I shoot both the same inside of 10yards.

[zp4ja]

Got a new rifle bag in. It's pretty amazing I'll have to show you the setup. Rock hard solid hold.

Spent about 5 hours at the range today. Perfect day. I had two hours with absolutely no wind which is not very common where I live. After that the wind came from literally all directions changing about every 5 minutes it was kind of crazy. Maybe 5 to 10 miles an hour at most but I had to judge prior to each shot.

After having some AR fun for a few hours, I committed to 2 shots only, hit or miss, from my 308 at 400 yards at the 4 inch and two and a half inch plate. As you can see from the pictures, DEAD ON. Packed up my stuff and left as it can only go downhill from there.

Looks like my rifle and I are ready to head out to the thousand yard range on the other side of the mountain. Maybe only go up to 700 or 800 to start.

Jerry

[CheckSix]

ya buddy! that dog'll hunt!

[FRJ]

Good shooting, Jerry. Very impressive at that range. I envy you, I love to shoot. That's a special place you have there.
Years ago on some property I had and was building my house on I taped off 100 yards and shot my 22 rifle off hand at a 8" black.
I sure enjoyed that.

[Colonel26]

That's some impressive shooting there Jerry. It sure sounds like a lot of fun shooting out at those ranges. Our terrain here doesn't lend itself to those distances. Kind of neat to see your pics.

[zp4ja]

Thanks Dave, Joe and Wade!

Twas a great day at the range. If you asked what was on my bucket list, this is the only item thus far.

Can't wait to go longer as that is the bucket item.

Joe, sweet thing is that it is 10 minutes from the house, free and no Range Master.

Wi SD h you Gent were all here to throw some lead and shoot the s**t. Lot of fun.

Glad to share Gents.

Regards, Jerry

[CheckSix]

Jerry,
13 yrs ago, I had the good fortune of taking a 3 day precision rifle course with a retired Navy SEAL sniper. This was before fancy scopes, like your Burris. What we were taught to do, was to print a particular load/rifle combination, every 100yds, so we could actually see the drop and make a chart for it and figure out the scope elevation dope for the distance to target. Once the chart was complete, I would tape it to the rifle butt stock. The range I was on, only went to 600yds... so my charts are 100 - 600 yds... but you could keep going to 1000, if you wanted to. He also taught me how to use mil-dot scope reticles too. So, my one purpose built long range rifle is a Win M70 in 300Mag, with a 20 MOA picatinny rail and a Leupold mil-dot tactical scope on it. At the end of day 3, he tested me on different but simulated real life scenarios. It was a lot of fun but I have to admit, it took a bit to calm myself down before each shot... the pressure to execute the shot correctly was exaggerated by him only giving me one cartridge each time. One round left... make it count!

By the way, he was a great guy and I still keep in contact with him.

[zp4ja]

Jerry,
13 yrs ago, I had the good fortune of taking a 3 day precision rifle course with a retired Navy SEAL sniper. This was before fancy scopes, like your Burris. What we were taught to do, was to print a particular load/rifle combination, every 100yds, so we could actually see the drop and make a chart for it and figure out the scope elevation dope for the distance to target. Once the chart was complete, I would tape it to the rifle butt stock. The range I was on, only went to 600yds... so my charts are 100 - 600 yds... but you could keep going to 1000, if you wanted to. He also taught me how to use mil-dot scope reticles too. So, my one purpose built long range rifle is a Win M70 in 300Mag, with a 20 MOA picatinny rail and a Leupold mil-dot tactical scope on it. At the end of day 3, he tested me on different but simulated real life scenarios. It was a lot of fun but I have to admit, it took a bit to calm myself down before each shot... the pressure to execute the shot correctly was exaggerated by him only giving me one cartridge each time. One round left... make it count!

By the way, he was a great guy and I still keep in contact with him.

Very cool Dave. May check into doing that at some point. For now, the reason for the chosen optic is two fold.
1. My son and I drew a cow Elk tag. He knows next nothing about guns and lives 2 hours away. You will likely glaze over if I started discussing the hold over, etc. I put the combination of riflexibility and scope together with this in mind. I really want him to fill his tag and pretty much with 5 minutes of training you can put this rifle into the hands of someone and have them head out to fairly long distances.
2. Secondly, it's a great benefit for my final goal to go long range. By eliminating the need for me to dope the scope at this point in time, it allows me to fully concentrate on the other facets of long range shooting such as breathing techniques, reading the wind and adjusting accordingly, effect of elevation, temperature and humidity, excetera. In other words, it takes one additional variable out of the mix in case I'm not hitting on target.
Once I've mastered all the other techniques needed, I will likely put Nightforce or another high-end scope on it and then learn about doping the scope. I almost walked out of the store the other day with a Nightforce 8x32 x 56 millimeter to the tune of 2500 bucks. I opted to wait for now. I think my plans satisfies both requirements and it's a pretty good one at least for me.
Jerry

[CheckSix]

yep! I get it... makes sense. I wasn't trying to tell you what to do but rather share what I was taught. One thing I forgot to mention, after you print the rifle/load, you then think about where you want to set the elevation zero point. i.e. with a 300Mag, 168gr BT, something like dead-on at 285 yds, or something like that. With the tactical scope, you can set the elevation knob to zero there and then check your chart after ranging the target distance and crank in the elevation dope for any range you have the chart for and then get it back to zero when done.

The other cool thing he taught me how to do, was how to read the wind.... and dope windage. The basics are, you are a two man team with a high quality spotting scope. You slightly defocus the spotting scope and you can see the heat shimmer in the air. It actually moves with the wind and you can see if it is like walking pace, jogging pace or running pace. Instead of touching the windage knob, I would just do a hold adjustment visually. With a spotter, you say "shooter ready!", the response from the spotter when everything is good is... "Send it!". When I was on the spotting scope, I could actually follow the bullet in flight by seeing the turbulence trail in the air. Once you see the flight path relative to the target, the spotter says something like... "11 o'clock, 12", reload." and then you start the sequence again. This is an incredibly efficient way of getting to a hit at really long range.

Hope this helps!

[CheckSix]

The place I did my long range class at, is in the link below. My instructor is now the president of the operation... if you browse the website, you can see the different rifle courses they offer. It is truly excellent, the facilities are first class and the best part is, the quality of the instructors. I'm not trying to be a shill, just letting you know that there is an excellent operation for this kind of training.

http://thesitetraining.com/the-instructors


Here's my long range rig, done the old school way, as I described previously.

[zp4ja]

It's all good Dave. I know you are just trying to help and I actually appreciate the information. Appreciate the link also I'm a check into that. I am familiar with using the heat shimmer to gauge windage. I live in the high desert so defocusing is really not necessary to see the heat shimmer as it's very obvious in the spotting scope but I'll give it a try to see the differences.
Keep any tips you have coming my friend. Even if I'm aware of them they are appreciated as I may not know some tricks.
I too am old school but I bought what I did to eliminate the gear variable in addition to the other points I stated.

Now I need some steel to hang way out. Maybe awhile before I get "long" with work as it is crazy now. My target time is before November but we will see how it pans out.

Nice long shooter my friend. Definitely old school. Like that alot.

Will post the new bag later. Pretty cool setup at least in my mind and other that have them.

Thanks and Regards, Jerry

[CheckSix]

If your son hasn't taken a big game animal before, his biggest challenge may be controlling the adrenaline shakes, when he looks through the scope and sees that cow Elk up close... (a.k.a. buck fever).

For benchrest, I use Protektor sand filled leather front and rear bags and a mechanical rest under the front bag. I'm a shooting hand and shoulder contact only bench guy. My offhand is squeezing the rear bag to tweak the hold. When I get the sight picture I want, I let half my breath out and start the trigger press and try to time the sear release between heartbeats. Not always successful with the timing, because the shot going off is always a surprise. When the shot goes off, I concentrate on staying down with the rifle, replaying in my minds eye the last sight picture I saw. Once I have that in my mind, I move my eye over to the spotting scope and take a look for confirmation. My primary range has really good all concrete benches, supports and seating. Immovable.

Before I go hunting, I always practice offhand shots and shooting off of sticks. I actually do this a lot to get field ready.

[zp4ja]

If your son hasn't taken a big game animal before, his biggest challenge may be controlling the adrenaline shakes, when he looks through the scope and sees that cow Elk up close... (a.k.a. buck fever).

For benchrest, I use Protektor sand filled leather front and rear bags and a mechanical rest under the front bag. I'm a shooting hand and shoulder contact only bench guy. My offhand is squeezing the rear bag to tweak the hold. When I get the sight picture I want, I let half my breath out and start the trigger press and try to time the sear release between heartbeats. Not always successful with the timing, because the shot going off is always a surprise. When the shot goes off, I concentrate on staying down with the rifle, replaying in my minds eye the last sight picture I saw. Once I have that in my mind, I move my eye over to the spotting scope and take a look for confirmation. My primary range has really good all concrete benches, supports and seating. Immovable.

Before I go hunting, I always practice offhand shots and shooting off of sticks. I actually do this a lot to get field ready.

Cool Dave. I too shoot alot the day prior to a hunt. Paid off last year with my Dad's 30-06 ad my 4 x 12 Vortex Viper hunting scope. I use the Vortex LRBC (long range ballastics calculator. Enter bullet ballastics and tells drop, etc. Also, shows yardage for each reticle hash. 25 rounds at range day before my Mule Deer buck tag opened. Dead on at 400 yards. I knew hash yardage by memory. 265 yard 35 degree downhI'll shot, blew its heart out and did not take one step.
Like anything, practice pays off.
Jerry

[CheckSix]

I usually start shooting offhand and with shooting sticks 3 to 4 weeks before the hunt. Takes me a while to get good at it again and the extra practice never hurts.

When is the cow elk hunt? and where?

I'd be using one of my 300 Mags. The long range Win M70 rig I showed up above and/or... I also have a Sako 75 in 300 Mag with a Zeiss scope that is really sweet. I hand load 168gr Barnes TSX bullets at 3200 fps m.v., that shoot sub 1/2 moa. If the wind isn't silly, I'm pretty confident out to 500 yds on an Elk size animal, if I have some sort of a rest. Off hand, I've been good to 300 yds but will not take a shot much past that. Don't want to risk a wounded animal.

[zp4ja]

In area 7 (zone 72 thru 75) above Hwy 80 outside of Elko, NV. Hunts are usally only two weeks for big game here. It might start on a Tuesday and end on a Wednesday for example. My tag is week before Thanks giving and ends mid January. Only long span available is late season. Need to get in before the snow gets deep but much better than the 2 week hunts.
Likely for me, 30-06 and .308. Powerful enough in my opinion if placed properly.

Jerry

[CheckSix]

Jerry,
Have you hunted that area before?

[zp4ja]

Jerry,
Have you hunted that area before?

Yes, once 3 years ago. Took my nail driving AR-10 for a cow elk tag. Thought I would teach all the gun hating liberals that ARs are for hunting too. Only had three days hunted that entire tag unfortunately. Same tag and season length I drew this year. Saw many Elk. Only problem was 2 foot of snow on the ground, no snow shoes and they were 4 miles away on a mountain top. My son is strategizing how we could get to them, how long it would take, etc at 2 pm in the afternoon. The only thing I shot was his crazy plan down pretty quick.
That area is huge and about 2 hours away. I been out and about in it before but certainly don't know it as the as the mountains surrounding 100 miles around my town.
Jarbridge NWR is located within that zone too. No motorized vehicles allowed.
Jerry

[CheckSix]

I found this when researching that area from someone that goes hunting there apparently. Don't know if this is of any use for you, as this is for sub-area 73... At least it's free.

073 is a lot of public land to the north, checkerboarded to the south, but no real issues as far as access goes. You will find the elk in two main areas. Double Mountain/Devil's Armchair on the west, and Stag Mountain on the east.

I think the easiest place would be to go to Deeth, turn right onto the main road, and then take the first road that goes back North under the interstate. The second road that goes under the interstate will take you into 075. The first road will take you to Stag Mountain.

To get to Double Mountain, go north on Mountain City Highway, and then just look for the sign that says North Fork/Double Mountain, about 35 miles north. Not many places to get a camper in there, unless you go farther north and find something off of the Charleston Road.

The west side is mostly cheatgrass and sage. The east side on Stag there is more aspen.

Also, I think you can hunt in a part of Stud creek, which is close to the Orange Bridge, but it flows into 072, so you have to be careful of where you are.

This will be an easy area to hunt, as there are a lot of good roads, but still be prepared to hike up to a mile or so to get into elk, and possibly pack one out on your back. Not sure how much time you can take off, but you might also be able to wait for one to get into a better spot also.