Was I wrong to expect more from him?

dewman · Post by **dewman** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:06 am

Being James Parker's son, wouldn't you think he'd use different terms than "sandbar stag" and "bonestag" when advertising this knife? Or am I just being picky?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Parker-Congress-Kni ... dZViewItem

The Texas Tank · Post by **The Texas Tank** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:26 am

Just my 2 cents worth but I think he has folks working for him, and yes there is always the typo. I have done it myself. He deals in such quantities that I cannot imagine him doing all the grunt work himself. I know what it takes to take pictures and list the eight items I normally do per week. If someone has never put up items on eBay they need to do it to see how much work it really is especially if you are dealing in quantity. I have had realtives think that you just thow the item up in the air - people bid - you collect the money - and all is good. NOT! His ads are normally pretty good and very accurate.

So .... yes you are being picky

but that is ok as long as if you find a boo boo like that in one of my listings you let me know so I can fix it. I sure would appreciate another set of eyes on what I am doing for sure.

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:36 am

Actually,

That knife looks like bone, not stag, designed to look like stag.
So, maybe those terms are accurate descriptions of simulated, faux, fake stag...or then again, maybe not.

JMO.

Bill

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:54 am

I recently ended up with some Parker knives in a collection we bought. If you look at the box you can see where they really did refer to that handle material as Sandbar Stag. General concenus was that the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:45 pm

olderdogs1 wrote: the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

Hmmmm Crafty Marketers

We call that kind of marketing something else in these parts...

Sunburst

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:45 pm

Well stated Tom.

Bill (still on the hunt)

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:03 pm

sunburst wrote:
olderdogs1 wrote: the Parkers, being crafty marketers, liked the sound of Sandbar, sounding a lot like Sambar.

Hmmmm Crafty Marketers

We call that kind of marketing something else in these parts...

Sunburst

YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:06 pm

YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"

Is that the same kind of bone used in prostate exams...???

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:19 pm

sunburst wrote:
YEAH! Ralph; Crafty Marketing = "The Sandbar Bone"
Is that the same kind of bone used in prostate exams...???

No! Ralph; Instead of invading your Prostate, this Bone invades your

Wallet!

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:48 pm

Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn.

Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles.

They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.

Tom

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:57 pm

olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

I think I saw that herd the last time I was vacationing in Alabama...

Sunburst

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:05 pm

olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

Olderdogs1; Jim Parker and Jim Frost actually traveled the entire

country in search of the "SANDBAR STAG BONE." Here is a picture of one

of their clandestine trips, just released through the "FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT"

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:45 pm

To me Sandbar looks just like torched bone, bone stag is nothing more than jigged bone. There are many cutlery supply catalogs that sell bonestag scales, http://www.knifehandles.com for one. Winterbottom is also jigged bone, not second cut stag as I often see it advertised. Came from a different critter, I believe I have some in the shop.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:22 pm

MITCH RAPP wrote:
olderdogs1 wrote:Realizing full well that I am copying from some previous posts I will recant for the newer members how it is rumored that there actually was a Sandbar deer herd that roamed the hills of Chattanooga Tn. Several years ago Jim Parker, aided by Jim Frost, rounded them up and shipped them to Japan where their horns were sawed off for knife handles. They were then shipped back to the states and released in a wildlife sanctuary in Alabama. Ok so I added a few details.
Tom

Olderdogs1; Jim Parker and Jim Frost actually traveled the entire

country in search of the "SANDBAR STAG BONE." Here is a picture of one

of their clandestine trips, just released through the "FREEDOM OF

INFORMATION ACT"

Sniff, sniff are you telling me that Kris Kringle is in on the action too, say it's not so...

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:26 pm

So THAT'S how the herd got back here from Japan...dead of night, December 24th...but what year??

Bill

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:41 pm

Bill; I could be wrong but I think it was the year Billy Bob was Santa!

gmusic · Post by **gmusic** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:05 pm

Sambar, stag, stag bone, India, Asia, they are all “catch words.”
Truth is; stag is a male deer, stag horn is bone, and whether it be India, Asia, Netherlands, Idaho or Montana it’s all essentially the same as far as composition.

Sure their habitat and diet play a roll in the development and color, which makes some more attractive than others, but much of the stuff is stained, colored, ground and polished before it sees a blade.

Where the “stag” is cut from off the rack plays an important roll as far as texture goes. It gnarly on the main beams down by the crown or skull and gets smoother further out toward the points.

Wrong in their description...............yea! What the hell is sandbar?

Knifekid · Post by **Knifekid** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:17 pm

Buzz didn't have a typo, Jim actually called that handle "sandbar", it even says that on the box. I asked Jim about that name at dinner a few years ago and he said "hell...it looks like a sandbar don't it". I think the handles are stag but, it's European stag though.

gmusic · Post by **gmusic** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:29 pm

Well, there you go!

It's a name coined by Jim Parker for that particular knife handle material.

If you are the guy making the knives, you can call it whatever you like!

Thanks Perry!

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:22 pm

Here's a guy that has a lot of knowledge about stag and has large collections that he's selling to finance a school in Kenya. He and his wife are both involved.

You've probably seen a lot of his writings about Steel Warrior, Case Seahorse and specifically the Warncliffe blade and not known it. He has written a lot about stag, second cut, sambar, and maybe sandbar

I've seen other sites, this one too where he claims Bulldog stag is very high grade European stag, I think he's right. Bulldog does not use the word sambar or sandbar to describe their knives.

http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/rod/knives/reviews/stag.html

A lot of good informational reading in here.

I recommend it! He shows a picture of avaerage Eropean Stag and you can see the resemblence to Sandbar Stag.

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:28 pm

I hope everyone realizes we are just having a little fun here, regarding the choice of terminology used to describe these knives.

It is, for the most part, just tongue-in-cheek.

Bill

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:37 pm

El Lobo wrote:I hope everyone realizes we are just having a little fun here, regarding the choice of terminology used to describe these knives.

It is, for the most part, just tongue-in-cheek.

Bill

Absolutely, I thought I'd put a link to a very knowledgeable source. Sometimes while playing with words or terminology we run across or remember other things we've read that are very educational. There are a couple Italian sites I ran across that refer to European Stag as SANBAR, even when it was Red Stag. I rememered reading this guy a few times and came away impressed with all his projects.

Personally I like the look of European Stag and it can stand on it's own merit with elk, moose, caribou, whitetail, mule deer, our little blacktail deer and Arizona's TINY Coues White-tailed Deer.

He must have more money than time.

TinyToothpick · Post by **TinyToothpick** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:52 am

That was educational. It kind of felt like I was watching/reading Ali and Frazier and the thrilla in manilla. However, I did think it was a jokingly serious discussion as it went along. Entertaining for sure. Thanks for the knowledge gentlemen. Nice references along the way.

MITCH RAPP · Post by **MITCH RAPP** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:47 am

Hukk; Great Link.

The pictures are worth a thousand words!

All About Pocket Knives

Was I wrong to expect more from him?

Was I wrong to expect more from him?

Sandbar Bone stag per Jim Parkers silver laddie