SCHRADES MY TRUE LOVE

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:20 am

LT, did the roger's bone company provide dyed, pre jigged slabs to the knife co's?

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:47 am

Some companies bought bone in various states some did it themselves some did part I cannot pinpoint which companies did what. So the answer is I do not know for certain. NYK did a lot of there own stuff later on they all tried to buy it was one less procedure. Sorry I cannot give more on this except that most tried buying, making and most alternatives and used variations bone finished and unfinished was bought and or made cell was bought in slabs and made. Then bought there really is no set answer that I can give you. Sorry LT

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:53 am

that's ok, Lt. my next question concerns "roger's bone" after the factory burned. modern roger's bone is a reference to the jigging pattern?

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:00 am

Yes that is correct it is also called the American pattern this term is used more with reference to newer knives presently being handled in that pattern or a similar pattern. Rodgers is the usual reference for the older knives. LT

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:17 am

Thanks LT.
That helped to clear up a few things for me.

Thanks again,
Dale

Timstools · Post by **Timstools** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:39 am

Wow 21 pages, I think this forum needs a dedicated USA Schrade section.

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:03 pm

Last night when I was writing in response to this topic I was attempting to clear up some correspondence and it was late and I was a bit tired. I forgot to add one point which occured to me as soon as I hit the pillow ( which shows you how dull my life is if this is what I think of in bed ) However it should be noted ( if anyone gives a dang ) that Rodger style of jigging was also known as picked or sometimes just pick bone. Again this was due to the hand done nature of the style. It related to just what it says picking at the bone with a hand tool to produce the great final product. Now the term Picked bone in a general venue can be a reference to any jigged handle however it came from and was original to the Rodgers style. LT PS I hope this answer is not getting to picky ????

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:27 pm

LT,
Do you have any pictures of someone hand jigging the bone or the tools used?
I would like to see the tools & see if I could figure out how to make some of the hand jigged style bone. Seems like an interesting challenge for some who likes to fix old Schrade's.

Thanks,
Dale

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:57 pm

Thanks for the words and pictures, LT! I am seeing the fog lift, although slowly. I am going to take some pics of my various examples of peachseed and post them here. It is such lovely stuff!

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:57 pm

Not off hand Dale however It would seem that as long as you do not want to chip completely by hand there must be jigs or dies sold that would attach to a variable speed horizontal drill or something like it, buy some dog bones or stag or I don't know dig some one up and work on a pattern then I guess you would die the bone or maybe you dye it first. You know me Dale, Mr machine I am so mechanical that opening a can of beans and getting away unscathed is a 50 50 proposition. I am good at opening bottles. Any way there must be books and places to procure this stuff. You are near Northwestern they might be able to help. Or the outfit in Texas that sells all the stuff for knife making. Sorry LT PS I am good with cards, guns, and using knives. PPS I am sure there are people on here who could help I guess they are waiting for me to stop monopolizing the show. If so I understand there position and do not blame them a bit I will stop talking if someone chirps in because I cannot help much on this aspect.

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:32 pm

Hey,

Don't stop now LT.....until these posts, I always thought if you fed the cows peaches, you got peachseed jigging...corn, you got corncob jigging...and if they ate grass, you got greenbone.

Never did figure out the Winterbottom thingy??

Bill

LRV · Post by **LRV** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:51 pm

Bill,
Following your logic Winterbottom is what you get form a cow that chews on rough wood while sitting in a snow bank.
Oh I think we could carry this one for a while..
TTYL
Larry

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:13 pm

Hi Irv,

Out of hibernation after the birthday, eh? Nice to hear you following my lOGIC...

I need a couple of Drown Royals here to figure out the part Mr. Rogers must've played in the Rogers jigging, but I'm going to try and get it right with what I'm learning here at AAPK in the Knife Lore forum. Old Rogers...new Rogers...not Rogers.

Please keep the examples and the information flowing.

Bill

P. S.
Oh...do you think cow tipping and tipped bolsters are somehow related?

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:39 pm

Do cows from West Virginia's coal mining region produce "pick" bone?

Does honey jigged bone come from VERY BIG bees?

Dale
spraying self with "OFF"
(paranoid of giant bees)

Gr8Scout · Post by **Gr8Scout** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:15 pm

Dale,
Ben Kelley's excellent little book THE COMPLETE BOOK OF POCKETKNIFE REPAIR has a chapter on jigging and dying bone for handles. Looks like all it takes is patience, a dremel tool and some bone. Cattle bone frequently sold at pet supply stores, nice big sections.

Phil

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:52 pm

The book is good.
Here is one example of some bone slabs I dyed & jigged using his method.

Dale

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:40 pm

Here are the peachseed pictures I promised a page or two back. One picture is all Waldens (I'm never sure which order the pics will appear), and the other is Cut Cos with 4 Waldens in the upper right.
These seem to verify that in general, and with some exceptions, the darker dyes were used later. There are a couple, very dark, and bright green, that seem to be later revivals of the Walden stamping. If Schrade could still do peachseed while in business, it's a shame they didn't keep a high grade line going. Or maybe the bone is old stock, or was reproduced by an outside contractor. This little exercise has created more questions than it has answered, for me anyway.
As always, clicking once or twice on the pics should give you bigger pics.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:37 pm

thanks charlie, great collection of fine knives! peachseed jigging is one of my favorites.

sunburst · Post by **sunburst** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:03 pm

Dagum Charlie I think you used up the allotment for bandwith for the month on that peachseed bunch of beauty's..Great looking collection..Wow..

Sunburst

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:23 pm

sunburst wrote:Dagum Charlie I think you used up the allotment for bandwith for the month on that peachseed bunch of beauty's..Great looking collection..Wow..

Sunburst

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ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:40 am

Charlie,
I see a major problem there, your herd's getting too big! Of course as a result sickness will prevail with the possibility of the whole herd being wiped out!

I can see the start of an epidemic already with the sickly green stockman. I'd suggest you nip this calamity in the bud and send that green time bomb out to me so I can try to nurse it back to health. Of course it won't ever be able to rejoin the herd again but I believe I can board it here to live out the remainder of it's life. It's the least I can do

Eric

PS - The rest of 'em are beauts!!! You might consider culling the herd to prevent future outbreaks. Again, I can provide boarding absolutely free of charge.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:48 am

Yes Eric, that weird green one doesn't actually fit in, but I felt kind of sorry for it, so I gave it a day in the sun.
This is kind of fun; I will post some more Schrade bone handle closeups in the next few days.
I learn a lot by doing it.

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:17 am

Charlie,
In the interest of full disclosure I offer you a quote from a recent post by LT : "As far as coloring the bone it is merely a matter of the dye. Green bone has always been the most sought after by collectors that is because knives used to be sold by the dozen . In each dozen they would put only one green bone. Many dealers would remove the green and place a premium on them when they sold them it was simply supply and demand . However the practice has made the green highly sought to this day even though the original reason is long forgotten ."

Eric

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:55 pm

You have opened up an interesting topic, Eric. "What is greenbone?"
Of course that green knife that we have been joking about is not actually the traditional greenbone that most refer to on old knives. But I am pretty sure that the Cut. Co.s in the pictures I posted, and some of the Waldens are greenbone in the traditional sense.
Greenbone varies from a nice lighter tan, to a darker tan, with subtle undertones of green, and sometimes red, and sometimes both, IMO!
But I am still learning.

Hukk · Post by **Hukk** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:06 pm

upnorth wrote:You have opened up an interesting topic, Eric. "What is greenbone?"

Depends on the company also. I've seen greenbone from near black, to brown, orangish-reddish-yellow, to dark yellow, and some of it is actually green.