camillus #72

[jerryd6818]

Thank God I'm not a member of the Sunfish Club. Those in general (Camillus or otherwise) usually go for way more than I'm willing to spend.

[carrmillus]

....jerry, when I started collecting Camillus knives, the 2 I had to have were the splitback whittler and the sunfish!!!......those were the 2 I remember my granddad always carried. if I had gotten his, it would have saved me a bunch of money!!..................... .......................

[Shearer]

Here a few 72's to go with your collection.I don't like it when they have private bidding on knives.How can it be upfront ( private listing - bidders' identities protected).What has the seller got to hide.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251516907148 ... 1423.l2649

How do you known who is really bidding.(this is opened to shill bidding and how do you know)
http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... 7675.l2565
I's not a box set it is a mixture of knives.
Grant

[jerryd6818]

Three different varieties represented there.
Two pre-'65 rough black (I'm not convinced that's Delrin).
Three '65-'76 Delrin
One post '76 (no handle pins) Delrin

"Vintage Boxed Set with Paper Carpenter’s and Whittlers Knife No. 72 by Camillus Cutlery NY USA c1960-1976

A boxed set of six vintage quality knives features three high carbon steel blade (1) a 2-5/8” long clip shaped main blade, (2) a 1-3/4” long clip shaped secondary blade and (3) 1-3/4” spey blade. The main blade features a long matchstriker finger pull and has a clear tang stamp underlined CAMILLUS over NEW YORK over USA and No. 72 on the reverse tang side. All the tang mark are matching in the set and suggest Camillus Cutlery Company vintage year c1960-1976. The set features four knives in brown and two knives in black jigged delrin handles with brass pins with nickel/silver bolster and all are perfectly aligned with the brass frames, spacers. It comes with a blank nickel/silver shield. Overall knife length is 3-5/8" closed.

This set of vintage Camillus No. 72 has the patina of an old collectible knife and is rarely found at Ebay auctions as a boxed set in this excellent condition."

[orvet]

I saw that Jerry, but I didn't bid.
I have a box and didn't want to run your bid up!

[jerryd6818]

That's awfully considerate of you but you know I'm a sniper.

[tjmurphy]

Let's hear it for the SNIPERS

HIP-HIP HIP-HIP HIP-HIP

[jerryd6818]

I'm no Carlos Hathcock but I do okay.

[Shearer]

Another sniper though he would add a picture of his latest 72.To my old eyes it looks dark brown.

[jerryd6818]

Hard to tell from a picture but it looks like rough black to me.

[Shearer]

Hard to tell from a picture but it looks like rough black to me.

Jerry this is a better picture.It's a scout on the right.
Grant

[jerryd6818]

Weren't you the one who told me you have trouble with colors? I'd have to see the knife in hand but since I can't, I'm going with black. It doesn't look anything like brown, dark or other wise, to me. Now the center knife is definitely that handle material I call "rough brown" (my name for it).

Edit: After a closer look, I could be convinced the knife on the left is dark brown but the one on the right is still black.

[Shearer]

Weren't you the one who told me you have trouble with colors? I'd have to see the knife in hand but since I can't, I'm going with black. It doesn't look anything like brown, dark or other wise, to me. Now the center knife is definitely that handle material I call "rough brown" (my name for it).

Edit: After a closer look, I could be convinced the knife on the left is dark brown but the one on the right is still black.

Sorry I should have explained it better the knife in the middle is the brown one.I put a 72 black on the left and 1047 scout on the right just to show the difference.It was the only way I could take a picture with my camera that did not show the centre knife as looking black

Grant

[jerryd6818]

This one was delivered today. All cleaned up (not much to do), oiled and pictures taken. She's now ready to join her sisters in the 72 & Clone Satchel. I thought I was buying this one because it was such a good price (already had one white one) but have discovered my first one is a long line and this is a italic tang stamp. Cool.

[Shearer]

Jerry a nice knife and with a italic tang stamp .
These Camillus 72's are a never ending story.
Grant

[jerryd6818]

You are so right Grant. I can think of at least a half-dozen that I don't have (that I know about, never mind the ones I don't know exist).

[Shearer]

I received this Keen Kutter today in a lot of knives.It looks to me to be made by Camillus as it has the match stick pull,pins through bolsters.It has seen better days.
Grant

[jerryd6818]

Yeah, it's been rode hard and put away wet but be glad you have it because they're hard to come by. It can act as a place keeper until a better one comes along.

[orvet]

It looks to me to be made by Camillus as it has the match stick pull,pins through bolsters.Grant

I think that depends when it was made.
Keen Kutter ran the Walden plant prior to WWI.
Post WWI the building was bought by Schrade.
Since Winchester moved the jobs to New Haven CT, there were no doubt many workers from Walden Knife Co who went to work for Schrade Cut Co.

It is possible that knife has as much Schrade DNA as it has Camillus.

[jerryd6818]

Dale -- Keep in mind that so far, there's no evidence the Carpenter's & Whittler's pattern existed before 1946. I'm open to any solid evidence to the contrary but until some surfaces...

[orvet]

What struck me about the Keen Kutter is that the brand predates 1946 by a significent margin, (several decades).
Perhaps we have not looked in the right place for the ancestors to the pattern.

No one has explored that possibility, so far as I know.
As interconnected (inbred? ) as the early cutleries in that area were, often stealing one another’s cutlers, (who were the source of the patterns in those days), I would almost expect to find some sort of passing connection. It would make an interesting study, some day when I get caught up in the shop!

Not sure what a study like that would find, likely a number of surprises!

Just sayin'.

[Shearer]

Received another Hammer brand 72 clone today .The two have the same problems.The main blade does not snap. Open the coping blade than close the main blade and it has snap.
It like they did not give the blades the right clearance when the knives were assembled.
Grant

[Producer]

Received another Hammer brand 72 clone today .The two have the same problems.The main blade does not snap. Open the coping blade than close the main blade and it has snap.
It like they did not give the blades the right clearance when the knives were assembled.
Grant

Interesting.
I wasn't aware of that issue, thanks.

[jerryd6818]

Received another Hammer brand 72 clone today .The two have the same problems.The main blade does not snap. Open the coping blade than close the main blade and it has snap.
It like they did not give the blades the right clearance when the knives were assembled.
Grant

My Hammer Brand doesn't do that but I have a Utica that does it to a small degree. Problems with snap is one of my pet peeves.

[jerryd6818]

After somewhere between six months and a year of watching this knife, for sale at a price I thought was out of line, I was finally able to bring it home at something a little more comfortable for my pocketbook. It's the only one I've seen for sale so I'm quite pleased to have it. The knife is in factory condition and looking at the handles and pattern stamp, I believe it was made in the Camillus factory. This is what I was able to learn about Rigid knives.

"Rigid Knives was started and run by Don Collum, Bill Duff, & Dean Parks in Santee CA. The company ran 1970-1980.
Rigid was bought by A.G. Russell who tried to keep the brand afloat before selling to United Cutlery. I saw it said that United has also gone out of business.
Most of the early knives were sheath knives.
Slip joints have at one time or another been made in USA, Japan, Taiwan and China.
USA knives have been made by Rigid, Camillus, Queen (rumor) and Canal Street."